Baller JohnCox Posted February 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 First off, Andy is awesome. I mean awesome. Incredibly helpful, and so eager to make you a better skier - even if you aren't on his ski. If you EVER have an opportunity to ski with Andy, take it. As for the skiing, I will lay out the excuses: have only skied a dozen sets since November, have not skied at all in 3 weeks, was up 20 hours yesterday, including almost 10 hours of driving, and I arrived on site and it is WINDY. So, expectations were low.opening pass in the tail wind was horrible, due to the stuff coming out of my bindings. Kept the line the same, and ran a head wind. Much better, so kept it there again for the tail. Sweet. Shortened the line and came in for a head wind. Wow. More aggressive is better....missed the same line coming back at the tail due to a mental lapse at 1, but then ran it 3 more times. Tired. Andy suggested I shorten it to 35 to see how it felt. Bagged my 1st 35 of the year... So, the initial review is.....holy mackerel! I've got a Nano One (65.25") with about 20 sets...message me if you are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jim Neely Posted February 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 John, What size ski did you ride and how did you mount your bindings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted February 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 @JohnCox, Maybe a stupid question but, what ski where you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzy Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 @JohnCox, How much are you asking for the Nano 1...? If you don't wish to post the amount on this site, then please e-mail me at tcrow@klostermanbakery.com. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JohnCox Posted February 22, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 Skied on the Mapple 65.75 with my shells mounted with dual lock directly to ski. I will message about nano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted February 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 I am guessing you left with the ski?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted February 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 @johncox 65.25" or 66.75? think are the sizes. Please keep us informed of the progress. Have fun wish I was there with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JohnCox Posted February 22, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 I guess it's the 66.75". The middle one. My second set was not quite as good, but I suspect it has to do with being exhausted. @dave2baller - yes, I left with it. Several more sets this weekend will give me confirmation... At the resort, getting ready to hit the hot tub. And crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted February 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 The ski just gets better and better as you trust it more and more. One of the best skis I have ever rode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller PatM Posted February 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2013 @JohnCox Is the Nano left foot forward, right foot forward or neutral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JohnCox Posted February 23, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted February 23, 2013 @OB I'm 5'8" and 175. @Pat M - the nano is neutral. They didn't do this one as specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JohnCox Posted February 23, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted February 23, 2013 No we didn't @OB. According to the web site, the 65" is for folks under 150. At my lightest last summer, I was 170. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slalomboy96 Posted February 24, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 24, 2013 I rode one, 66.75 Mapple I'm 6ft 190lbs it was awesome, fast, stable, turned hard, and never bogged or stopped, I'm on a 66.75 nano 1, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JohnCox Posted February 25, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted February 25, 2013 6 sets in the bag on the Mapple 6.0 over the weekend, including 3 with @Mapple. If you guys EVER get the opportunity to ski with Andy, do it. I spent a good bit of time there on Friday, skiing myself, of course, but just watching, listening, and learning. When I went back over there Saturday afternoon, I only skied one set, but hung around taking it all in again. Andy was helping another skier that wasn't even on a Mapple, but helping him set up his ski, and coaching him (and used some techniques I have NEVER considered doing - but were awesome). Anyway, back to the ski...absolutely has the cross-course speed that I seem to crave, but is also incredibly stable through the turns. Every set got better. And better. I spent almost the entire weekend at 28 and 32 (including one set with Andy just running 28s over and over, which REALLY allowed me to work on what he wanted me to focus on). Only put the rope on 35 twice, and ran both of them. Needless to say, I am loving the ski... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Alberto Soares Posted February 25, 2013 Baller Share Posted February 25, 2013 I am 1.75m and 73kg (guess it is about 5´9 and 172 lb) and I have been skiing pretty well the last couple of weeks with my 66.75 M6. Last saturday I decided to give my Nano 1 another try and found that I am skiing a little easier with it. I guess the M6 is a bit big for me, I am doing about the same buoy count (deep to full 38) with both skis, but with less effort with the Nano 1 as it is easier to turn. Wish I have the chance to try the 65 M6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted March 5, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 5, 2013 I had an unexpected chance to ride the new Mapple 6.0 yesterday and i was very impressed. It was the 68.5 inch ski and I weigh 190. I expected it to feel big after riding the 65.25 nano but it felt great from the first pullout. It felt very fast and turned great on both sides. It was a short set in very cold water so i am looking forward to getting a few more sets on it. IMO this ski is way more user friendly than the Mapple 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted March 5, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 5, 2013 @ob - what was @mapple recommending to improve your ability to carry width ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted March 5, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 5, 2013 @OB, so he basically said that you need to ski well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dirt Posted March 5, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 5, 2013 @OB What? Mapple didn't read the edge change earlier thread? I thought we were all working on short pulling a few weeks ago...up until now I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dirt Posted March 5, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 5, 2013 This thread has really got me wanting to try this ski and ski with Mapple. I really like that type of coaching. I have to constantly work on the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted March 5, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 5, 2013 @ob - and remember to charge hard into the first wake, the extra load helps your ski "jump" to the other edge when it's time for edge changing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted March 5, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 5, 2013 @OB Sorry Marine but I just can't visualize you playing golf! What do you do when the tally goes over 20? OODA Loop?: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted March 6, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 6, 2013 Turned up in Orlando cold and windy still struggling with the N1 went Andys he kindly let me take a ski so that i could grab a couple of sets at jason seels before i went back and skied with andy The ski so much better than the N1 straight away super fast and turned well . Went back to ski with Andy the following day WoW what an experience after 2 passes Andy says give me the ski steve. Some adjustments were made and we back in the water. Awsome adjustment the ski was even better i parted with my money as soon as i got back to the dock. Andy is such a great guy the whole experience was a delight even parting with my cash Mapple Skis is not jist about buying a new ski its a complete package and unrivalled support from some very helpfull and nice people. Get yourself the Mapple Package today you will not regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 6, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 6, 2013 Time to shut this thread down before I spend more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 6, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 6, 2013 I know. I will drop cash on the Mapple and then the N2, A4 and new Radar will be out. The viscous cycle continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 6, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2013 @MS I just saw spy photos if the new EP so you can add that to your list. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted March 6, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 6, 2013 Don't forget the Quest - I have one with your name on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 6, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 6, 2013 I will not repeat last summer. Strada, A2, Connolly V, Fusion, MPD, 9900, N1 and about a month on the greatest ski ever Monza. It feels like I am missing a few more that I cant remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 6, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2013 @ms you still have a Monza? Time for an intervention Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JC McCavit Posted March 6, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 6, 2013 I saved my 2006 Monza. I set my all time PB on that ski. I am going to dust it off and mount up my Strata Boots this summer just to see if it is really that outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 6, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 6, 2013 Watch out @JC you may get a panda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 6, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 6, 2013 It is not outdated. My best scores of the summer were on the Monza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 6, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 6, 2013 @MS we all know you spraypaint all your new skis to look like the Monza so you can still say it is the best thing you can ski on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 6, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 6, 2013 I wish all the new skis had the Monza price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 6, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2013 Ok back to the Mapple 6.0 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 Six am. AM 6.0. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 6 buoys in a course??? Ahh the works is going to end.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 @OB -- width is all from handle control. Keep the handle with you all the way out to the buoy line buddy! And remember that you can't do that if you create excessive load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 Get the Mapple I garauntee you will have no problems getting width Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 @OB -- you make things so complicated ;-). For me it is because handle control, load and angle all go together and I can't think about all three at the same time. So what I think about is load and angle management. In the old days I tried to maximize angle and load, thinking that getting early was most important. Now I don't. I think more about being in the right place, which isn't early or late, but right (for me). For example -- too much angle and too much load tend to go together for me. The consequence -- I can't control the handle because my angle and load off the second wake cause a rebound to the inside edge as the handle is pulled away from me too soon, causing a narrower than optimal path (along with all sorts of speed, direction and rope management issues). If I take less angle with less load, then I can keep the handle in both hands much more easily, maintain direction outbound better, and let the edge change come later (when I already have my width and the boat is slowly pulling the handle away from me). While I appreciate the complexity, I have to simplify to make progress. That means thinking about less angle and less load than I historically applied, allowing me to generate width by staying connected to the boat longer after the second wake. Now if I can just execute it consistently, that would be another story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 Here I go 1-800-ANDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 @OB less is more for me....Jim and I keep saying lighter for longer. I also tend to overturn 2 and 4 so when it occurs have to think "get off of it" right away so I don't apply big load at unsustainable angle. Stunk that last season came to a close when it did as it seemed we were both getting the hang of it and near break-through. Razor and I are chasing the same theory here...and that helps too as we try to refine it. Got around 3 at 39 in practice and tourney last year, both PB's. Hope it's still in there somewhere! Hmm, maybe if I were on a Mapple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 That's an interesting question? I have to be "Light and Tight" at the apex...Slide to the handle for hookup looking down course...Then "Hard and Short" in the white water, with the cast-out off the centerline for the Reverse C. The days of loading to the second wake went away for me with Perfect Pass....That would make me way to fast and down course with ZO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 My two cents is gotta be careful where that aggressive turn finishes...has to be at the proper angle to run...which for me is less than I think. Ideally I don't then go for more "load". Working with the boat at the proper angle (when I do it right) is less load for sure. OB, I still have the sense that of the two of us you are consistently the better skier, or certainly have been better for longer. Just feel like I made a jump last year on this less angle out of the turn, block instead of load, stay lighter longer and repeat. Once I screw up I tend to load harder...but for the first time last year even in a tourney I nearly got out of 38 after a really crappy 1 ball. Made up serious time and early to 5 only to blow it...at least I was loading on the proper cross course line. Lots of ways to skin this cat...i don't have all the answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 @OB -- how these guys make 39 look easy is a totally different question! :-). Talked with Scoke about this last year. I'm working on less variation in my speed. Without using perfect math, in theory I'm looking to have my speed vary by say, 4mph around the 34.1mph boat speed rather than by 10mph. This more "constant speed" skiing for me keeps me moving all the time, keeps the line tight, creates space, and means the ski runs better out of the turn because I maintain more of my speed through the turn (than I did in the old days when I sprinted across the course as fast as the ski would go, then tried to peel off enough to keep the line tight and be able to turn). Keep in mind that my perspective is colored by my starting point. I used to turn really hard, load really hard, and generate tremendous amounts of speed. My "lighter for longer" is vis a vis that starting point. For another skier who is coming from a less agressive point it could very well feel like "turn and burn". It would be fun to ski together this year -- I'd bet that our actual skiing on video looks a lot more similar than our conversation today would imply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 @OB hope for Pensacola...I think skiwatch is becoming tradition for Jim and I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 Seven sets on Mapple 6,0 it just gets better and better. Every time I put the ski on it makes me smile. Just loving it ! Thankyou Andy Mapple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 8, 2013 Hell, Scoke banished everyone after moving to Okee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JohnCox Posted March 8, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 8, 2013 I had a chance to sneak in a couple of sets yesterday....learned (confirmed, reminded myself, etc) a few things: - When I think too much, it's almost as if I've never skied at all..... - After skiing in Florida in almost 70 degree water, I found it not worth skiing in 54 degree water... - After skiing in Florida in either a top, or nothing, there is almost no reason to put a drysuit on and ride a ski here....and I apparently really need to stretch the neck out on the drysuit. After a couple of passes, I'm pretty sure there wasn't much blood in my brain... - After skiing in almost 90 degree air, 54 degree air feels like 34.... But, at least I did ride, and did manage to run a few decent passes. I will probably do it again Sunday, and confirm those things again before I go to West Palm next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 8, 2013 You know how to ski. It is all vision and timing. How and when you react to what you see in front of you. Some skiers react better then others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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