Baller kmenard Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 Noticed a closeout on the Senate with Vector bindings (double boot for $50 more) $449 with free shipping. The Senate-C is avail for $100 more. I have hit the course exactly once in my life (I am 39 now...oof, tough to type that out loud) Most of my skiing is now done at a local lake where I fight with wakeboarders for clean water. I noticed another lake near me has a ski club, so I might try to hit some balls this year, but again, it probably wouldn't be my primary focus. My current ski is a 90's HO VTC. Thoughts? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 7, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 7, 2013 @kmenard Hell yes Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted March 7, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 7, 2013 @kmenard - +1 on the Senate, at this point you probably don't need the Carbon version, that price is a deal, where's it from ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 7, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 I am kind of thinking the Senate over the -C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 7, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 7, 2013 The C is a little more advanced but is a better ski Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller andjules Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 You can grab the non-carbon 2012 Senate for cheap here: http://www.marine-products.com/closeouts/water-skis.html?brand=81 I bought my brother one & he likes it - he fights through the course at 32mph, -15off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 7, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 Given my current abilities and split between course and free ride, wouldn't the non-C version be better for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller WBLskier Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 You will love it. My dad has a c and brother in law has non c. I have a strada. All so easy to ski. You can turn them no matter where you are on them. Sister just bought 65 c for that price. It's a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brady Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 I have loved my SenateC. My advice would be to jump to the C as it will grow with you as you advance. Both however are awesome skis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 @kmenard given you're fighting for good water on a public lake, the standard Senate should be fine. With that said, if the extra $100 isn't an issue, you'll appreciate the Senate C once you get hooked on chasing bouys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 7, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 how does the c do on open water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 Find those boys at the other lake join the club and you will be chasing turn balls for life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 7, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 double boot for $50 more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted March 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 7, 2013 I found the standard Senate provides a "damper" ride which can be nice in choppy/rough open water. The Senate C is more "responsive" and quicker cross course. They both are at home in open water or in the course, the Senate C just has a little higher potential in the course. As for double boots or single and rtp, go with what you are comfortable skiing with now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brady Posted March 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 8, 2013 @kmenard The SenateC does okay in the chop, especially since it is a 34 mph ski. The strata and the vice are both 36 mph skis and they do not do well in the chop. I think you can't go wrong by dropping the extra 100 bucks on the C. I am going back to a single rear boot. I feel being in the double boot is more restrictive and I am able to make my turn quicker if I can move my rear heel around a bit. Gives me a little bit of freedom, but my rear foot still feels very snug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 8, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 8, 2013 Ordered the C...not bad, $539 shipped to the door with Vector front and ARTP. Now to start looking for a ski for the wife :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted March 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 8, 2013 Great price. You'll be happy. For the wife: http://www.wakehouse.com/products/radar-lyric-w-lyric-bindings-slalom-waterski-package-2012.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 8, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 8, 2013 Ya, I believe it or not, I was the one that asked about it and had them put it up on the site. I am going to keep checking the used market...she doesn't ski enough yet to be spending that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted March 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 8, 2013 @ kmenard http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Slalom&postid=22455 http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Slalom&postid=22456 http://www.wakehouse.com/products/radar-lyric-feather-frame-waterski-binding-2011.html http://www.wakehouse.com/products/radar-adjustable-rear-toe-plate-rtp-2011.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 13, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 The ski came in...it is much nicer looking than the picture. Can't wait to ski it! One thing I noticed though is there is no instructions for setting it up or adjusting it. What is a good starting point on these? The other issue is that the fin mount is not flush in the front and has a pretty sharp edge. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8250/8555056630_dafc9e03b4_z.jpg Should I just tighten that down? Like I said though...good looking ski (terrible pic) and boy is it light compared to my 20 year old HO! http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8106/8555057112_f25932be28_z.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 What size ski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 13, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 These are the stock settings I got from Radar. Front binding 29-1/2" from tail Fin: 2.50 depth 6.850 length .765 dft 8 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 13, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 never mind on the block, I am going to be exchanging the ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 @kmenard how come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 Are you saying that one side of the fin block is higher than the other? If so, is the side of the fin block that is higher sitting flush on the ski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 13, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 yes, the one that is higher is flush with the ski. I sent a pic to the store and they said they would send me up a new one and take this one back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 13, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 btw...buying a ski for the wife is a tricky thing...You weigh over 120lbs right? (INCORRECT!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 Just checked and the fin block on my senate C is just like yours. So the replacement ski might come the same way. Maybe just file the sharp machined edge and go with it. As for sizing a ski for the wife.....best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 14, 2013 I think thats how they are supposed to be. I set one up last week.. I do not remember how it was. @eddie_roberts_jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tjm Posted March 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 14, 2013 I have 2 and neither one is like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 14, 2013 I am pretty sure Rossi sets the fin measurements and uses a slot caliper for the dft. At least, in his video on ski setup, he is, and the dft is what has been published for Stradas. So, if you are using standard calipers, subtract .030 from the dft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller escmanaze Posted March 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 14, 2013 I look forward to hearing how you like this ski. I rode my brother's HO VTC from 95-99 and really liked it. I then bought my own KD in 99, and like you, am realizing that I might just ski better and enjoy it more if I'm not on 15 year old equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogboy Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Kermenard, may I suggest that you just purchase the upgrade high end strada fin block system for your senate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 15, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 15, 2013 In the future maybe...right now I think this will be all the ski I need and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 16, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 16, 2013 New ski came in, sure enough the other ski was wonky. The block on this ski sits nice and flush with out the sharp edge. Very impressed with the company I bought it from...it was a no questions asked exchange. I went ahead and ordered the Lyric for my wife. More than what I wanted to spend, but man I love a company with good customer service...they seem to be getting more rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogboy Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Kmenard, great that it worked out. Good luck on your new senate c! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 Sorry to butt in on this thread, but I too have been considering a Senate-C. I always hear people talking about them on BOS. I'm at the 15-off level. Slower boat speeds. I currently have a 2011 (older version) HO Triumph that I don't like very well (for whatever reason). The Triumph just feels so darn heavy and cumbersome. What I'm wondering is how far I can take the Senate-C. I'm looking to progress in the course as quickly as my ability will allow me. I'll be skiing the course at least 3+ times a week this summer (6+ sets a week I guess). I don't want to feel like I've outgrown the ski after one season. So, is the Senate-C a beginner, intermediate, or advanced ski? Will it out perform my 2011 Triumph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 I slowed down to 32mph all spring a few years back on my Senate C and ran into 38 off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 My regular stick is a 66" Sans Rival SR2, but I friend of mine has just purchased a 2012 Radar Senate 67" (due to the current closeout pricing). I had a set on the Senate this morning and wow I was impressed. The ski did ride higher in the water than my SR2, but it didn't lose much feel/security in the turns as a result. It maintained speed really well, and although it isn't as fast as my SR2, generating the speed is almost effortless. The turning was a nice surprise... I usually don't like skiing on skis larger than 66" (I'm 70kg) due to the increased turn radius and decreased response of the ski, but the edge change was smooth and the turning tight and predictable. This ski does some things better than my old Sixam SS, so I'm amazed of the performance vs the price. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't replace my SR2 with this (for course skiing), but I'm tempted to buy one for open water skiing, to get my flow on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 @aswinter05 I've skied on a Triumph and after skiing on a Senate today, it is night and day better than the Triumph. I haven't skied on a Senate-C, but in my opinion you would be very happy even with the regular Senate. The regular Senate seemed to generate speed well, so I'm not sure you'd need the extra carbon (in the Senate-C) as the extra speed may sacrifice some forgiveness/predictability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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