Chris Parrish & Andy Mapple - Side by Side Comparison

[Horton]

http://youtu.be/H7Yt9aRCxEg

 

http://www.mappleskis.com/

[bogboy]

Wow!

[Waternut]

Great video editing. Really cool to see how different people can use the same ski and use it almost completely differently. I tried to watch Chris so many times and every time Andy lags coming out of the ball and then rockets to the other side and it immediately grabs my attention.

[ForrestGump]

What is surprising to me is how much more consistent CP's average speed was.

[6balls]

I love watching CP, the guy has some serious physical advantages in terms of leverage/reach and uses them really well. Andy is just some guy from another planet.

[Mike]

Great stuff. These two guys are such hero's to me and this great sport. CP is a big guy that is so smooth. Just sick...look at Chris's back arm pressure on his 1 3 5 side LFF. Cool

[SM]

I like the smiles on their faces as they ski. My facial expression doesn't resemble theirs at all.

 

[Zman]

Hey @SM - I hope people don't mistake you for MS. Seems that would just be too much abuse to take on here....

[SM]

I think I'm safe. I'm from Canada, MS just thinks he's from Canada.

[GaryWilkinson]

@SM I noticed the smiles too though Andy's looks bigger with that British face!

 

Interesting to watch how different their timing is LFF vs RFF and how Andy seems to reach higher. Great video editing and great to watch.

[The_MS]

Canada Rocks.

It great when I can make it into the headlines of a CP/Mapple thread.

[teammalibu]

Cant wait to ski with them both in 10 days.

[The_MS]

@Team Malibu Make sure you get a size that I can test when I come down.

[teammalibu]

@MS by then I should have one of everything!

 

[The_MS]

Thats why I like hanging out with you.

[teammalibu]

I like hanging out with you because you always have cold beer!

[gmut]

@Horton, great video I noticed that both Andy and Chris execute what I call "the move" coming into the wakes on both sides of the course. The ski seems to jet out in from of them from leaning edge to turning edge very quickly (the edge change) and their arms go from straight out to bent at the inside elbow and close to the vest into the preturn prior to the extension of the handle arm. Most,if not all of the elite skiers have this move down. Some people call it the hitch. My question is how do you practice this move? What are they actually doing to execute this move? Does that make sense to you?

[Drago]

I don't think you practice that "move". It is a result, not an action

[6balls]

Look at @drago's profile pic and you know he speaks the truth.

[Drago]

Ha! I was waiting for someone to notice that. That's from 1997~, I think. Red topped Iconn, still wearing Killer Loops.

[gmut]

@Drago It appears like they are using maybe back arm pressure on the handle to advance the ski in front of them and onto the inside edge. From the looks of your picture you have this down. How would you explain it to a person trying to imitate it at the shorter line lengths?

[Drago]

If I could explain it better than Nick Parsons in this months WaterSki, I would. I consider that "trailing" arm (left through gate). Just keep the pressure even on both hands. To explain my reaction comment: most of the edge change, IMHO, is natural physics if you did the work into the wake. Generally, trailing arm pressure won't show benefits if you are pulling past the 2nd wake. It's all so connected....

[Ed_Johnson]

Drago is correct in the fact that first you create the energy, and then you release it.

 

Think of a jogger out running...First you land on your heel, then you roll your foot forward, and push off with your toes...For me that relates to hooking up in a stacked position, then starting with rear arm pressure, (L going R), shift COM forward towards the front foot. This builds pressure and my front knee bends..Now without moving the upper body, relax the arms slightly and let the knees come up and through to the other edge.

 

The key is upper and lower body separation...Allowing the lower body to swing free to the other side, while keeping the upper body still...The common mistake is to initiate the edge change by "Pulling in Hard" on the rope, and pulling your body up and to the inside.

[gmut]

@Drago Drago the article(April 2013 Waterski pages 52/53) by Nick Parsons is an excellent explanation, looking at the pictures you see that the left elbow stays pinned to his vest throughout the edge change going from straight in the pull to bent at the completion of the edge change....upper body remains still. @Ed_johnson Yes many skiers, myself included, actually do pull up on the handle(the hitch) to force the edge change rather than let it naturally occur. I think what Andy and Chris do(and many other elite skiers) at the edge change is key to running shortline slalom.