Administrators Horton Posted March 2, 2016 Administrators Share Posted March 2, 2016 I was talking to a manufacturer today about a vest with a back brace built in. Do you like the idea? Do you want one? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 2, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted March 2, 2016 Before someone asks - no, I am not talking about he Goode PowerVest. That is another topic & another thread. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 Would the brace go all the way up to the back of your head? If not, it seems like taking all of the potential give from the back during a full scorpion and transferring it to the base of the neck would be bad in an OTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 2, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted March 2, 2016 @oldjeep these are smart people working with top skiers so I am sure they will think it through. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lottawatta Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 I am pretty sure Nevin used to make a comp vest with a built in back brace a few years (or more) back. I never tried one because my back was still good back then. I would like to try one if someone came out with it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 One of the major brands made a vest with a built in brace (similar to a weight belt), but less stiff than a weight belt - seemed like a good idea to me. Probably hurts mobility a bit but improves lower back durability - everything seems to have a trade off. If they can eliminate the trade off, even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 Obrien made them In the early 90's- never fit right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 @Horton - just trying to understand what "back brace" means in this context. If it is just a weight belt equivalent or a full back brace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted March 2, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted March 2, 2016 I use a wide stiff back brace and a Straightline vest. If it's a combo like that..yes as it keeps everything aligned and doesn't really hurt mobility. Make it out of those squishy pull over feel vests and a soft brace and it's a waist of time for the older crowd IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 I loved the Obrien vest. I loved the Nevin vest. I'm using the Goode vest now. I tried to wean myself off the Goode vest with a jump suit with an external back brace (but back on the Goode for now). Arthritis sucks and I'll take all the help I can get. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 Would be amazing if done right. "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted March 2, 2016 Gold Member Share Posted March 2, 2016 I need back support from my vest, but a regular Eagle provides it. When I am in the drysuit, I add a back brace since the vest is no longer needed. So I don't think I have a use for a vest with a separate back brace, so long as the Eagle never changes :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Wayne Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 @Horton if you have any input on this product, would a CGA option be available if this makes it to market? I may be in the minority but it's something I wish was available for the Goode Power Vest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2016 I wear a back brace (valeo weight lifting belt) with my vest. Not sure how a vest with a built in brace would fit in the right spot on the back for different body types as is possible with two independent pieces (the brace and the vest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Nando Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 skidawg said it- those O'Brien ones seemed like such a good idea, but they sure didn't fit me. I use a Sheik belt under my vest and would go for a built-in, if it was comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Sethro Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 I still have my Nevin LRS vest with the built in brace. I really like it. Damn thing shrunk though...but I'm approaching the weight I was at before it shrunk, so I might just get to wear it again. :) I actually searched on and off for a long time looking for a xxl leftover stock somewhere as my xl was always a little snug. I thought about posting a want ad but never got around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake3 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I'm with @oldjeep as someone with a grade 2.5 Spondolylisthesis from an OTF scorpion. I believe a brace would transfer the energy to next weakest link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Skier Luzz Posted March 3, 2016 Elite Skier Share Posted March 3, 2016 Not sure if anyone remembers, but Rip Curl used to make this amazing vest with a neoprene strap that would go around your belly. AMAZING VEST!!! I can see a back brace or some sort of added structure functioning well with that system! Ski coach at Jolly Ski, Organizer of the San Gervasio Pro Am (2023 Promo and others), Co-Organizer of the Jolly Clinics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegile Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 What I really need is a giant magnet that keeps pulls my hips up to the handle......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller nzwaterski Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 Have an old neil pyde impact vest that has a back Brace. Was really comfortable but after a year's it seemed to shrink would buy another one if i could find one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think it sounds like a good idea but I would need to see the execution of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 I had the Obrien version in about 1991-2. They don't work well for skiing btw. Combined rotation/flexion is very hard to control, especially in our sport where you body alignment and load is different side to side. As a person who has fought the good fight with back injury for 25 years, if I pull out the back brace, (I have several) it's time to take some days off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Garn Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 I wear a Schiek weight belt on the outside of my Eagle vest whenever I ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 I had the O'brien one and loved it....must not have been a big seller. A weightlifting belt works pretty good too, but I've found it feels better under the vest, and seems to do more work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chris55 Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 As a motorcycle rider I use sometime a elastic large belt around my lower back and it helps a lot plus keep my lower back warm when the water is cold. It would be great if it is part of the vest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller andjules Posted March 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2016 Also remember that what may-or-may-not have been a great product and may-or-may-not have sold well in the early 90s faces a very different waterski demographic today. While we're fewer in number, we're skewed towards 40-65 year-olds. Although we'll hear lots of annecdotes about this-or-that limiting injury, I'm pretty sure backs and ankles are the injuries that claim the most victims. Industry has been doing a better-and-better job on bindings/ankles; I think it's high-time for some back-oriented solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted March 4, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 4, 2016 My O'Neill Assault (or Impact?) with lumbar support gives a nice bit of low back support. I wouldn't call it a brace though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted March 5, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted March 5, 2016 I used to wear a Shiek belt. Last time I wore it, I pulled a muscle right at the top of the belt. Never more. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Wayne Posted March 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted March 5, 2016 I started using an O'Neill Revenge vest a few years ago. It's a little longer (or seems like it) and has a lumbar pad between the straps that @ALPJr mentioned. Not sure if I'm "just right" for fit but it helps quite a bit for me. I didn't know O'Neill had it on other vests but I guess I never looked either. I'm not "injured enough" for a Power Vest and the price stings a little. Something inbetween would be a nice transition as my back gets older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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