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Judging Gates / Cameras


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So I guess when cameras were introduced to help with judging gates , the majority of skiers would not have been going through the gates on the sort of line lengths that they are on today, so the camera angle would have been set to view lesser angles.

Is it possible that if the gate camers were re-positioned to allow for a better view of the shorter line lengths, would this help or do we think they are positioned in the best possible spot at the moment, has anybody thought about this ?

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Chet Raley had a gate proposal to be allowed at a test in Class C events, but it didn't

pass. The skier had to be on the 2-4-6 side of the course after the 55m pregates, but

could cut through the wakes at any time. Entry gates would not be judged, although the

skier still would have to go through the exit gate. Of course, events run as Class F can

still do it that way. Chet's idea was to get that accepted eventually at all levels. Would

get rid of the expen$e and complexity associated with gate cameras.

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vs. Chet's proposal, there could be some concern that skiers will be cutting through the

wake super-early. That could happen at 23m longline, maybe 15 off. But, back in the

1960's, the endgates were at the same spacing as the interior gates: 45 yards. When

I went to Joe Cash's ski school in 1964, they were that same way. Joe explained that

the top skiers were having troubles, as they would have to do a double-turn. Go

through the gates, do a bounce, run straight, then turn at the buoy. This was for deep

shortline then, like 30 off. At that time, they had experimented with shorter endgates

at the Masters.

So, for even medium-level athletes these days, they wouldn't want to cut through the

wakes super-early. Be interesting to see where the top skiers would cross through the

wakes if not constrained by the endgates. Guess is a bit before the gate, but not a lot.

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Line length doesn't matter. The gates are always have the same position, spacing and angle and skiers direction is always from skiers left to right.

Current camera positioning is very good. It's elevated, at a good angle to see L-R skier path and zoomed in so it't like your very close. And judges get a couple looks at it in slomo. My understanding is location was evaluated. My experience is it is very good. There are still rare occurrences where it is still just hard to tell. IMHO if after two looks two judges can't tell give it to the skier and move on, kinda the way its supposed to work now.

But we could lower them so they have a much flatter view, say to boat judge height a few feet off the water, perhaps that would be better..... :)

 

Speaking of the majority of tournament skiers, the majority can't run 32off. Do a quick browse of the AWSA rankings. Most tournaments are C and most of those don't have cameras. Getting too wrapped up in the high end chasing solutions that cost money does not grow or even maintain the majority, it alienates them.

 

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