Gold Member Mastercrafter Posted September 8, 2023 Gold Member Report Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) Noticed this on my last ski, and it’s starting on my new ski already. There’s a line under the leading edge of the wing that appears to be from cavitation. First through the anodizing, and it’s actually pitting the aluminum. This means a negative pressure behind the front edge of the wing is is allowing the water to boil and become a gas, create a bubble, and then when the bubble collapses, it creates a shockwave that is actually “damaging” the fin. There’s even more going on with our fins than I thought. Just thought this was interesting. Because I am who I am, I’m now going to machine out the old fin where the cavitation is happening and see if it makes any difference in the ride. .. or is it from the hole in the fin? Edited September 8, 2023 by Mastercrafter 1
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 8, 2023 Baller_ Report Posted September 8, 2023 I would be more worried about contact with the bottom of the lake by the looks of the fin. 4
Gold Member Mastercrafter Posted September 8, 2023 Author Gold Member Report Posted September 8, 2023 49 minutes ago, The_MS said: I would be more worried about contact with the bottom of the lake by the looks of the fin. Yeah, lots of skiing in a short lake and every foot counts, and I got the ski well-used to start. It's kinda ugly. 1
Baller LeonL Posted September 8, 2023 Baller Report Posted September 8, 2023 I've never seen anything like that. Water boils to a gas?!?
Baller BobF Posted September 8, 2023 Baller Report Posted September 8, 2023 What's your wing angle? I've never seen that before, but I run a pretty shallow wing.
Industry Professional Adam Caldwell Posted September 8, 2023 Industry Professional Report Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) @Mastercrafter Its not from the wing specifically. It derives primarily from the hole geometry, however the wing has the ability to further decrease the pressure in that area and increase the propensity of cavitation under the wing. I've seen lots of fins with cavitation pitting on all 5 holes, but typically the most noticeable under the wing. You can run a slot under the wing for sure. Have done that many times. Ski will likely feel much more stable off the second wake. Edited September 8, 2023 by adamhcaldwell 2
Baller liquid d Posted September 8, 2023 Baller Report Posted September 8, 2023 Pressure areas are formed as the water accelerates around and moves past the prop. As the prop moves faster, it creates a lower pressure around it. As it reaches vapor pressure, the water vaporizes and forms small bubbles of gas. When the bubbles collapse, they typically cause very strong local shockwaves in the water, which may be audible and may even damage the blades. SAME AS ON PROPELLERS.....from boat forum
Gold Member Mastercrafter Posted September 8, 2023 Author Gold Member Report Posted September 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, liquid d said: Pressure areas are formed as the water accelerates around and moves past the prop. As the prop moves faster, it creates a lower pressure around it. As it reaches vapor pressure, the water vaporizes and forms small bubbles of gas. When the bubbles collapse, they typically cause very strong local shockwaves in the water, which may be audible and may even damage the blades. SAME AS ON PROPELLERS.....from boat forum Yup. A ding in a prop can ruin both gelcoat and the rudder.
Gold Member Mastercrafter Posted September 8, 2023 Author Gold Member Report Posted September 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, adamhcaldwell said: @Mastercrafter Its not from the wing specifically. It derives primarily from the hole geometry, however the wing has the ability to further decrease the pressure in that area and increase the propensity of cavitation under the wing. I've seen lots of fins with cavitation pitting on all 5 holes, but typically the most noticeable under the wing. You can run a slot under the wing for sure. Have done that many times. Ski will likely feel much more stable off the second wake. Was hoping the scientist might chime in. Thanks. Well now I have no choice but to a slot a fin and see how it feels. Are there downsides? How wide and long should I start?
Baller thager Posted September 8, 2023 Baller Report Posted September 8, 2023 Holy crap! Is it winter already? 3
Industry Professional Adam Caldwell Posted September 8, 2023 Industry Professional Report Posted September 8, 2023 @Mastercrafter All I am going to say is your embarking on a rabbit hole that has no end. Just think through the dynamics the best you can, come up with an idea/solution/hypothesis, then make the change and go out and ride it. There is no right answer. 2
Baller_ DW Posted September 8, 2023 Baller_ Report Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) @Mastercrafter - I have a few fins that show similar wear. Carbon fin examples are even more extreme and have more surface erosion. Additional pressure / velocity differentials & vortices off the wing accentuate the cavitation. Modeling the dynamics of a ski in water is very difficult, the many operating mediums make it a huge challenge. @adamhcaldwell - very true. Edited September 8, 2023 by DW
Baller ETskier Posted September 8, 2023 Baller Report Posted September 8, 2023 Pickin $--t with the chickens.
Supporting Member skialex Posted September 9, 2023 Supporting Member Report Posted September 9, 2023 Ski in salt water… and you will stop worrying about cavitations like your… 😊. I have a similar or maybe worse cavitation on one fin, but I blame the salt in the water… 1
Baller liquid d Posted September 9, 2023 Baller Report Posted September 9, 2023 I just think it's cool that i'm so badass I vaporize water! booyah! 2 2
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