Baller aswinter05 Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 I've been shopping all winter for a ski. Someone has a 2010 Senate-C for sale on SIA. Are there any major differences between the 2010 and the 2012? Wondering if I'm getting the same ski for less $ Also wondering if I should go Carbon or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 Yes. The 2012 has rocker and mold changes, not just graphics. C is lighter, so when buying used for less $, I would go C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 17, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 Performance Ski & Surf has a 2012 67" on closeout for $444 shipped. Thinking that's a decent buy. Would anyone like to talk me into/out of a Senate C? Other skis I have read about and might consider: S2, Vice, Co X SL, I was on a 65" Co X SL last year but I was informed it was too small of a ski for me at 30 mph. My wife has taken over the Co X. I liked that ski quite a bit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 18, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 18, 2013 at 30 mph the Senate C is awesome Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 @Horton made me do it. Went ahead and ordered a 2012 Senate C from Performance Ski & Surf. I'm not able to demo closeout skis in my area so I kinda have to go by the word of others. I guess if I hate the ski I can always sell it for a small (if any) loss. Thanks for the bit of input guys. That's all I needed! Now, hopefully my HO double Basis fits the ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 18, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 18, 2013 The boots will fit. You will love it. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andy Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @aswinter05..what size did you get and what set up numbers are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andy Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @aswinter05..what size did you get and what set up numbers are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @Andy , 67 " no idea on the numbers. Suggestions and explanations of the numbers please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @Andy , 67 " no idea on the numbers. Suggestions and explanations of the numbers please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 I think a good starting point on the C is: 2.495-2.505 .775 slot or .745 head 6.845-6.855 tips 8 degrees upside down Binding 30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 I think a good starting point on the C is: 2.495-2.505 .775 slot or .745 head 6.845-6.855 tips 8 degrees upside down Binding 30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @AB I'm pretty sure the only thing I understand about those numbers is the "Binding 30"" Correct me if I'm wrong but are you referring to the distance from the heel of the front boot to the tail of the ski? Obviously I'm going to need some hands on training to understand the other numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @AB I'm pretty sure the only thing I understand about those numbers is the "Binding 30"" Correct me if I'm wrong but are you referring to the distance from the heel of the front boot to the tail of the ski? Obviously I'm going to need some hands on training to understand the other numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @aswinter05 because I can't find the thread and I don't really want to type it out. I am going to defer you to @Mapple http://www.mappleskis.com/products/setup.php @AB settings .775 slot or .745 is the DFT 2.495-2.505 is the depth .6845-6.855 is the length 30" binding is from tail of the ski to the rear of the binding. Depending on your bindings is where you measure to. If you have any questions regard all of this just ask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @aswinter05 because I can't find the thread and I don't really want to type it out. I am going to defer you to @Mapple http://www.mappleskis.com/products/setup.php @AB settings .775 slot or .745 is the DFT 2.495-2.505 is the depth .6845-6.855 is the length 30" binding is from tail of the ski to the rear of the binding. Depending on your bindings is where you measure to. If you have any questions regard all of this just ask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @MattP appreciate the info. I was always taught to measure from the tail of the ski to the point on the HEEL of the binding which sticks out the furthest towards the tail of the ski (April Coble). But then again I'm still a rookie at all this :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @MattP appreciate the info. I was always taught to measure from the tail of the ski to the point on the HEEL of the binding which sticks out the furthest towards the tail of the ski (April Coble). But then again I'm still a rookie at all this :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 Quick question to all though.... should I not just try the factory settings of the fin before playing around with measurements? Maybe only worry about 30" front binding to tail for now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 Quick question to all though.... should I not just try the factory settings of the fin before playing around with measurements? Maybe only worry about 30" front binding to tail for now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @aswinter05 What bindings do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @aswinter05 What bindings do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 HO Basis @MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 HO Basis @MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 Also what is "slot" vs "head" on the DFT measurement That info on Mapple's website is pretty clutch. Thanks for that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 Also what is "slot" vs "head" on the DFT measurement That info on Mapple's website is pretty clutch. Thanks for that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 From Radar: Put your front boot 29.5 inches from the tail of the ski and butt the ARTP right up to it. The fin block is fine just the way it is. They come from the dealer pre set with the correct settings so no need to play with those. Hope you love the ski! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 From Radar: Put your front boot 29.5 inches from the tail of the ski and butt the ARTP right up to it. The fin block is fine just the way it is. They come from the dealer pre set with the correct settings so no need to play with those. Hope you love the ski! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @kmenard thanks! Dumb question, but I'm assuming the 29.5 inches from the tail is the HEEL of the boot to the tail? And is the 29.5" to the tail specifically for the 67" ski or does it matter what length the ski is for the 29.5" measurement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @kmenard thanks! Dumb question, but I'm assuming the 29.5 inches from the tail is the HEEL of the boot to the tail? And is the 29.5" to the tail specifically for the 67" ski or does it matter what length the ski is for the 29.5" measurement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @kmenard while they should come with the correct settings they do not always. Things get bumped in transport and done quickly in shops always check them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @kmenard while they should come with the correct settings they do not always. Things get bumped in transport and done quickly in shops always check them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 I'd venture to say that less than 10% of skis come with the correct fin settings. May not even be that many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 I'd venture to say that less than 10% of skis come with the correct fin settings. May not even be that many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 They didn't say, but I have the 67 and did to the heel of the boot from the tail. Looks like I will be doing some searching to confirm the tail setting. Never done that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 They didn't say, but I have the 67 and did to the heel of the boot from the tail. Looks like I will be doing some searching to confirm the tail setting. Never done that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 oh...also, Radar is on facebook and pretty quick to reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 oh...also, Radar is on facebook and pretty quick to reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @kmenard thanks for that suggestion. I looked all over their website for customer support phone numbers and never found one. I'll just contact them via facebook if I need anything further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @kmenard thanks for that suggestion. I looked all over their website for customer support phone numbers and never found one. I'll just contact them via facebook if I need anything further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 Previous Senate C's, Rossi said the setup for a 67 was 29.25" to heel of front binding, 6.845 fin length, 2.495 fin depth, .785 fin distance from tail, 8 degree wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 Previous Senate C's, Rossi said the setup for a 67 was 29.25" to heel of front binding, 6.845 fin length, 2.495 fin depth, .785 fin distance from tail, 8 degree wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 The front binding is usually measured with where the back of your heel is, not the plastic horseshoe or hardware. I have never used the Basis, but it looks like there is some stitching down towards the bottom, and that looks like a good place to measure from. I will assume you do not have a slot caliper, as you don't know what they are, so this link will show you how to use a standard caliper "head" to get the DFT distance from tail. goode.com/wsfinadj.html The wing should have the screws above the wing, and that is what upside down is. Tips of the caliper measures the length of the fin by just usiing the very end of the calipers, however, the link above shows "jaws" measurement - the old way. Because there are many different styles of calipers out there, and they have different offsets on the jaws, it is common to measure with the tips, so everyone has a standard reference.... Enough for now.. Other good instructional from Chris Rossi - note he is using a slot caliper though.. Part 1 shows how to put bindings on. Make sure you get a good fin whacker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 The front binding is usually measured with where the back of your heel is, not the plastic horseshoe or hardware. I have never used the Basis, but it looks like there is some stitching down towards the bottom, and that looks like a good place to measure from. I will assume you do not have a slot caliper, as you don't know what they are, so this link will show you how to use a standard caliper "head" to get the DFT distance from tail. goode.com/wsfinadj.html The wing should have the screws above the wing, and that is what upside down is. Tips of the caliper measures the length of the fin by just usiing the very end of the calipers, however, the link above shows "jaws" measurement - the old way. Because there are many different styles of calipers out there, and they have different offsets on the jaws, it is common to measure with the tips, so everyone has a standard reference.... Enough for now.. Other good instructional from Chris Rossi - note he is using a slot caliper though.. Part 1 shows how to put bindings on. Make sure you get a good fin whacker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller baja Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @aswinter05 if you don't already have a digital caliper you can get an 8 inch from Harbor Freight for about $30. The Mapple link will teach you how to use it. Verify the fin is set to the above stock settings. That ski can easily work for you from 28mph into 34mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller baja Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @aswinter05 if you don't already have a digital caliper you can get an 8 inch from Harbor Freight for about $30. The Mapple link will teach you how to use it. Verify the fin is set to the above stock settings. That ski can easily work for you from 28mph into 34mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller davemac Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @kmenard ...if it wasn't mentioned, Radar recommends using the lower stiches on the heel of their boots as the basis for measuring the front boots distance to the rear of the ski. If you are using Radar boots on a Radar ski, I believe I read that the center hole on the front binding plate should put you at the "recommended" setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller davemac Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @kmenard ...if it wasn't mentioned, Radar recommends using the lower stiches on the heel of their boots as the basis for measuring the front boots distance to the rear of the ski. If you are using Radar boots on a Radar ski, I believe I read that the center hole on the front binding plate should put you at the "recommended" setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 HO Basis looks to have similar stitching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 HO Basis looks to have similar stitching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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