Pull out keeping line tight

[cragginshred]

I have been told in the past pull out 5' farther than the 2-4-6 in order to get a better angle on the gate shot. I am looking for tips to keep the line tight while out there waiting for the gate shot. I may be pulling out and letting up too abruptly. Even when I feel like I have not let up too fast I get out there and start drifting in with slack resulting and the gate/pass is blown. Then of course I go back to my comfort zone.

[Chef23]

@cragginshred I think you hit the nail on the head. If you have a loose line I think you are pulling out too hard then letting up abruptly. I try to get a smooth steady pullout and I like to try to not get gassed by the boat on the pullout. I would suggest trying to start your pullout earlier and make it more smooth and gradual.

[Razorskier1]

What Mark said.

[markchilcutt]

Agree with everything said above. We need to think about being light on the line, shoulders and arms lined up with the boat pylon and have a slow steady load onto the line and the same as we start to flatten the ski out. Smooth everything out and if you need to start the pull out sooner giving yourself more time to create the speed and distance you need or want. I try to think about proper technique to get me out there rather than creating major pull against the boat. Hope this helps.

[kfennell]

@tfin will give the best advice here. Basically if you don't move towards the boat the line can't get loose. Just keep our hips squared down the lake and dont let your arms and shoulders out to the boat.

[BRY]

@cragginshred As long as you are out around the ball line you are good (all there is @38). I think most people pull out way too hard, it takes less effort to get out there than you think. Smooth and progressive pressure is the most important, that can turn a potentially hosed gate into some thing you can work with. Some of my keys:

 

Front foot: 100% front foot from getting out of the water till at least pointed at the gates

No more than 10% effort first 10% of move out but be sure to steer the ski out

Keep hips square down course the entire time standing tall

Bring handle in against body and vertical when coming up over ski (near the end of the pull out, handle straight up and down keeps elbows in and other good things)

Never go flat, stand on outside edge (even if lightly) until actually turning to gates (no glide really, stay out till you turn)

 

I don't think of these all at once but worked on each till all became natural. Gates are like learning a trick. Do it again and again and again and.....

[GOODESkier]

If you look down the line and just "stay away" from the boat by staying on the edge away from the boat. I think shoulders back.

 

Also, I played with the (+) setting on Zero Off and I felt like my gate was a bit better with less tendency to get that pull back into the boat. It seemed to help me stay wide and relaxed for a good relaxed turn in when I wanted to, rather than being rushed into a turn after I drifted. Something to try?

[Chef23]

@cragginshred another thing that might help is to make sure you are not starting your pullout from in the curl of the wake but just outside it in the white water. This means you need less energy to get your width and won't have to work as hard.

[ral]

5 ft farther than 2-4-6 aint doable at 32 off or shorter and would not recommend either even for 28 off...

[ForrestGump]

Jodi Fisher would tell you 1 1/2 boat widths wide of 2/4/6 at 15 off, 1 boat width wide at 22 off, 1/2 a boat width wide at 28, and at the buoy line at 32 off.

[MattP]

Yup that's Jodi's philosophy and I subscribe to it. @ShaneH‌

[cragginshred]

Thanks fellas! Plenty to try this Sunday.

[ski6jones]

I've been told to get up high on the boat, like middle engine box high.

[ral]

@SHane, for the boat width, 196 or 200? Jokes apart, I think it compatible with my theory, 5ft would be a bit too much at 28 off...

 

 

[matthewbrown]

@cragginshred the only real way to be able to help would be to see some video, otherwise we don't know what piece of the puzzle your are doing incorrectly

[Stevie Boy]

Because skiers are wary of over running gates, would it be fair to say that a lot of skiers, begin their pull out, too early, resulting in less width and incorrect speed ?

[Horton]

@Stevie Boy‌

"wary of over running gates"

 

 

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[Stevie Boy]

LOL ! Pandared, it wasn' meant how it comes across, wrong termonology, gonna leave it there, just in case there is another Panda waiting for me.

[Chef23]

@Stevie Boy I see more skiers that start their pullout too late and pull short because they are late resulting in not enough width than people that pull out too early and drift. Most people that drift could get wider anyway.

[Stevie Boy]

@Chef23, I always use to start the pull out, a boat length before the pre-gates, people then started to get me to pullout when the nose of the boat got to the pre-gates, I do not feel comfortable with it, but it seems to work better when I get it right, I need to trust it more, where I ski, the lake is a lot shallower at one end, it might be a mental or visual perception, but the ski seems to carry more speed at the shallow end when setting up.

[Cam]

Probably a "Panda" question but if at 22 off you start a boat's width wide of the 2,4,6 line should you maintain this width through the full pass? The reason I ask is I see skiers set up wide but only do enough to achieve buoy width at 1 ball which seems to me to defeat the point of setting up wide.

[Chef23]

@Cam I don't think you are wider than the buoy line the rest of the course but I do think the width at the gates helps you get the correct width and be earlier through the whole course.

[mwetskier]

@Stevie Boy -not mental or visual -shallow water 6 foot or less skis different then deeper water. dont know if its faster necessarily but its definitely different.

[cragginshred]

I was able to not pull out so aggro which allowed me to let off and glide about 5' wider than 2-4-6. I definitely got to one ball early and wide! more excited about not being as sore the day after as I was last week (which was the 1st time out)!