Baller drewski32 Posted April 20, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2015 So I've been skiing for nearly five years on the same setup... Reflex front with HO laceup rtp. The rtp to me feels very secure compared to the average toe plate, but definitely allows more freedom than a high wrap, especially for my rear heel to lift going into the turn. The rtp is beat to hell and is ready to be thrown out, but I can't find a setup I like. The new laceup rtp's are less secure feeling. I can't ski on a regular rtp OR a highwrap... I've tried. I'm looking into the reflex r-style rear boot, but I'm interested in the OB4 release system which I would think is not compatable with the r-style. Does anyone have any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted April 20, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2015 I would suggest a Radar Vapor boot worn loosely....it feels like you have almost nothing on and you can decide on the amount of hold by how tight or loose you run the bungee laces. On these your foot will come out with the booty on your foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Nando Posted April 20, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2015 I've found the Reflex R-style rear binding to be a good compromise- I had been on double high wraps for years and was looking for a little more freedom of movement and flexibility for my back foot. The R-style with Reflex front took a little getting used to but has become very comfortable. I do think that using it with the OB4, there would be issues with differential release, even if you ran the R-style pretty tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogboy Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 @drewski, you might also consider a Wiley's rear full wrap binding. You can adjust the wraps to be as tight or loose as you want, allowing more heal movement if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted April 20, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2015 @drewski32 the OB4 System is compatible with the R-Style as it would be like using an RTP you would only need the front release system. @mmosley899 Will be able to answer those questions for you. Like you I have had trouble finding stock RTP's that I like or that I can even ski on. I have to make my own now to suit my needs. Just because a comapny does not mass market a product that suits your style dosent mean you should give up hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Nando Posted April 20, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2015 MattP- of course- I clearly wasn't thinking and was thinking only of the OB4 double plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted April 20, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2015 @drewski32 there is no problem using most any type rear toe plate, rear binding, or "R" style binding with OB4 System's single release. You just need to be sure that the rear foot will come free from the ski. I can also build you a rear style shell from our boots. I have run some sets with the OB4 double boot system using a rear boot without the ankle cuff. This does allow more of the freedom from restriction found in a full rear high wrap or hardshell boot. I tend to avoid falls, so I am not sure how that affects the boot staying attached to your foot after the release. I may experiment with that some more. (Our lake is shallow enough to recover the boot if I lose it.) As long as the arch strap position stays up by your ankle, I don't think the shell will come off. The other things I have used are keeping the rear ankle cuff more loose than the front, lessen the height of the rear cuff, and lessen the lateral stiffness of the rear shell... Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted April 20, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2015 wileys makes a 3/4 boot i was in the same position as you two yrs ago check them out at www.wileys.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller drewski32 Posted April 21, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted April 21, 2015 I just don't like the rubbery inconsistent feeling with wiley's. I felt insecure and unbalanced in them. What appeals to me about the reflex r-style is the location of the ankle strap. I like lifting my heel quite a bit in the pre-turn. I don't trust it in a fall, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted April 21, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 21, 2015 @drewski I switched from rear rubber boot to r-style a while back mainly for safety reasons. I don't at all like regular RTP's and I have found this is a perfect compromise. Works exactly the same as a regular RTP but added benefit of holding the heel in place. Another thread I think it was @BlueSki had a problem with it, but I've not heard of many others. It staggers me that there are people still out there who know very little about them and thus don't consider them an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller drewski32 Posted April 21, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted April 21, 2015 Does anyone know how safe the r-style really is? I know i should come out of it in an otf situation, but in a twisting fall I'm not too confident in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted April 21, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 21, 2015 Drewski32 then surch e-bay ect and find a rtp like the one you have or built a new one. find a good shoe cobbler. switching boots front or back is alway a challenge good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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