Baller bobbulfer Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 On my way back from skiing with Seth in SC, Delta manage to break my ski somehow. I was on a 2012 69 inch senate C. I'm looking at buying a new Senate but am looking for some opinions. I ski 32-34 mph at 15 off. I originally bought a 69 inch because at the time I was skiing 28 to 30 mph in the course. Since I'm 32-34 mph should I buy a 67 inch now. I'm 6'1'' 195lbs. I really liked the 69 inch and it felt very stable but am curious if I will progress better now on a 67. Also leaning towards a lithium vs graphite senate. According to performance's website 67 inch 160-200lbs and 69 180-220lbs. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 I am 255 and the 69 works for me. 67 senate or a 68 vapor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 I'm 205 and fixing to retire by '14 Senate Alloy. Just acted too big and hard to turn. Felt like I was riding a snail at 32 mph -15. I think a 67" Graphite or Lithium would've been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bobbulfer Posted October 26, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 I was also told to think about a 69 inch vapor, but I'm concerned it may be tougher to improve on at my level than a senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 I dont think that would be an issue. You are running 32/34. If you were 24/26 or 28, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller TallSkinnyGuy Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 I am just below your skiing level (working on consistency at -15/32 mph) and -- based on advice from a widely respected advisor -- decided to purchase a Senate Alloy so I could get a ski that will take me into the next few levels but will be very stable and forgiving to allow me to progress better/faster and hopefully with fewer injuries. I have been on a 2014 Connelly Prophecy, which may be less stable than the Vapor, but it is my understanding that all the high end skis give up some stability and forgiveness in favor of responsiveness. Based on my research (not my personal experience), it seems like the Senate Graphite would easily take you up to more advanced levels before you would desire a Vapor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihard Posted November 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 Drop down to a 68 or even a 67? I'm 200 pounds and only 5' 10" and my coach talked me into going back to a 67 from a 68. Glad I listened to him. :) Consider a Graphite Vapor - responsive yet forgiving enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted November 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 I think the Vapor skis an inch larger than regular. I can get out of the water on a 68 way easier than my 68 9500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted November 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 I think a 69 might be big. I would like to see you try a 68" Vapor or a 67" Senate. I am 230 and skied the 68" Vapor at 32 mph a bunch this summer while rehabbing my back and it had plenty of support at that speed. I never tried it at 30 mph. Are you running full passes at 34/15 right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bobbulfer Posted November 13, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 Not very consistent at 34/15 but feel like it is very possible every pass. I spoke with Bill Porter at Performance who got me in touch with both Brooks Wilson and Matt Rini. I told them about my skiing and I think they have me talked into a 68 inch Lithium Vapor. I just now have to decide if I want to spend the extra$$$ for the new 2016 design. Big thanks to Bill at Performance for going the extra mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted November 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 I think a 68" Vapor is plenty of ski for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bobbulfer Posted November 13, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 Ya I agree. I was planning on going with another senate. Hopefully it will not be to much ski for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted November 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 @bobbulfer one of my ski partners is similar in ability to you or maybe a touch behind and he has been skiing on a 2015 Vapor Lithium this year and it worked great for him. He weighs about 175-180 and is on a 67" ski. He skis 30, 32 and 34 mph with plenty of support from the ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bobbulfer Posted November 13, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 Great thanks for the info. That is good to here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihard Posted November 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 13, 2015 Just make sure you're ready for the jump. The Lithium Vapor is by far a whole lot different ski than the Senate. Even the Graphite Vapor can be a big step. Hate to see you spend $1500+ for a stick and then realize you're not ready for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted November 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'm on a 2015 lithium vapor. 67". 175lb 6'2". It is really easy to ski on. Easiest I've been on. I'm running 15 off 34mph sometimes. I spent several weeks this fall running 30 mph 22 and 28off. Seemed fine. The other day I almost ran 22off 34mph. I don't feel like it holding back at all. Should be some deals on ski-it-again on 2015s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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