303Skier Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'd like to get a list going of the best devices producing the best video for Wakeye camera mounts. I'm about to lose my mind exchanging phones that all don't work very well. I've tried the following: iPhone 6Plus - Terrible video quality that is unrecognizable due to image stabilization. GoPro Hero 3 Silver - Great video but subject is too far away. Croping makes video quality go down! iPhone 6s - Poor video quality that shakes a lot. Video is usable but not great. Found this VIDEO of Terry Winter and the video is perfect. Wonder what camera he's using? I didn't post this to be cell phone specific, it can be any device that produces good/excellent quality video with Wakeye. I know the earlier generation iPhones all work great but I want to know what works well now and isn't discontinued. I also saw Brian Detrick using a device called an EGO by Liquid Video. Anyone out there have a current model phone that is working well? Thanks Ballers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted July 16, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 16, 2016 Yep, Samsung Galaxy - awesome with my Wakeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bbruzzese Posted July 16, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 16, 2016 Our I6s works pretty well...the GoPro takes such great vid, if only you could zoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gavski Posted July 16, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 16, 2016 Have you tried using different video capture software - eg. the standard iPhone camera app.. I have been using my iPhone 5s for 2 years - works great...i wonder if the camera stabilization can't cope with the engine vibration coming up through the pole...have you tried a different camera mount - the SkiDoc has an 'anti-vibration' mount... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller herseyj Posted July 18, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2016 I just tried a Olympus TG-4. Don't buy that thing. Focus was terrible. It just couldn't handle the motion and stay in focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jibbo Posted July 18, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2016 Wakeye has a new vibration mount you can customise for different high frequency vibrations: http://www.wakeye.com/products/wakeye-resolute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 @Jibbo thanks. I am taking the iPhone 6s back tonight and will be trying the Liquid Image EGO next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted July 18, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2016 @303Skier keep your phone. Buy a refurbished iPhone 5 for $99 and call it a day. The 5 takes great video and then you can use the App to auto record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 @MattP Where would I get a refurbished iPhone 5 for $99? I have T-Mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 This is the iPhone 6s this weekend, buddy of mine skiing. @MattP what do you think of the quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted July 18, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2016 @303Skier Looks a little rough to me but not terrible. Was this zoomed in? It looks like the camera is hunting for focus in the turn. Possibly turing on the AF lock will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted July 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 19, 2016 Maybe some device can use auto focus, but tough challenge with spray and all. But, in my experience, not seen a device yet that wasn't better off setting the focus manually.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller david_ski Posted July 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 19, 2016 @303Skier last year we tried the Liquid Image EGO as an alternative. It is like the GoPro with a fixed focus and digital zoom. It is somewhat of a pain to turn on record and drive at the same time. It only lasted a month before it would not power on and off. It went back to Amazon. We then tried a Sony action camera. It could be turned on and off remotely with your phone. That helped, but video was not any better than the GoPro. We really want to use iPhones 6 and 6s with the Wakeye. The wakeye new isolation mount looks interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 @MattP I had it zoomed in so none of the boat was showing. I noticed that when I have the zoom set to 1.0 (lowest setting) the quality is 2 times worse! I will try messing around with the AF lock. @david_ski thanks for the info about the EGO. I cancelled my order with Amazon and will continue to play around with the 6s. Hope to get this figured out soon. I'm also thinking about putting some counter weight on the end of the boom on the Wakeye to possibly take some of the vibration out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted July 20, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 20, 2016 I use an old iPhone 4S, the 4 didnt work too well but the 4S works great. Use the Wakeye app so no need to deal with turning on the recording. Just looked online and you can get them for less that $100. Since you will most likely connect it to a computer to watch the video you could even shop for one with a cracked screen and get it super cheap. You dont need a mobile plan for the gps to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller herseyj Posted July 28, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 28, 2016 Well I'm still hunting. Best Buy is going to hate me soon. I have tried the following GoPro - Used in the past. Subject was too far away and is now at the bottom of the lake. Olympus TG-4 - focus hunt issue and it is not usable Olympus TG-Tracker - fixed focus with subject too far away Sony FDR-AX33 HandyCam - Wow this thing is great when it works but then goes to crap. I have tried 2 of them and both have the same issue. Still hunting for a decent option! Anyone?? Don't want digital zoom! Looking want a high quality picture that could make nice stills if wanted. I for the life of me can't the buttons at the top of this edit box to work in Firefox. This url is a sample of all the camera's https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvCtCf0yHSvwi5N60WW7xPZP4RLXPA --edit interesting the url link seems to work anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 @herseyj The Olympus TG-4 seems to be the best so far, not bad! Maybe a low light filter would open the aperture up and make the auto focus issue go away? I ended up taking the iPhone 6S back. I couldn't get video that was worth a crap. Going back to the GoPro and cropping to get it close. I'm going to keep hunting as well. Please keep us posted with your progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted July 28, 2016 Baller Share Posted July 28, 2016 Has anyone ever tried a GoPro with an external Zoom lens attachment like you can get for smartphones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I have a Galaxy S7 and using the Wakeye App video is really shaky. I have tried all the different resolutions, stabilization off and still get shaky videos. I use either my old 4s or GoPro. Anyone have an S7 with good results let me know how you have it setup, these phones have really good cameras but what good is that if the video is wavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller herseyj Posted August 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2016 Added Samsung S7 - too much shake even for a barefoot run Added Sony FDR-AX53 - Did great except for zoomed in to far. On camcorders there are some real down sides to the designs that I didn't think would be an issue. The spotter can't see the flipped out door that displays the image due to it being on the drivers side. Camcorders are setup for a right handed person. This causes all sorts of problems for just checking zoom, tracking, skier centered and skier not sking off one side of the frame, etc. The AX53 worked great but the spotters in my boat are not very good at managing a camera. For the money I don't know if it makes sense when most of the video's are a mess because of zoom and centering issues. Having a camera with a display that the users could see would be much better. I might try a DSLR next but worry about the vibration and movement that a camcorders floating eye nearly eliminates. Another trip to Best Buy I guess. :-( Updated video's at https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21ANFlu8T2T%2DES1zw&id=F02B1D32FD09ADF0%21182778&cid=F02B1D32FD09ADF0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted August 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2016 My wakeye is shaky using an iPad even in the glide pre gait. all parts are tight. Do you all have this issue? Slack hits are understandable but do any of you get footage that does not shake using the Wakeye?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster88 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 After having horrible luck with both the iPhone 6s Plus and 5s, I dug out my Olympus TG-3 this weekend and had great success. This is my camera for the foreseeable futue...just need to use an SD card to lightning reader to upload video to iphone because the camera's wifi feature is too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller herseyj Posted August 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2016 Send me a video and we'll add it to the onedrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 I wonder how the TG-4 would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller herseyj Posted August 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2016 The TG-4 is terrible. Will not maintain focus. Check out the videos in the OneDrive link above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 Went back to my GoPro 4 Silver and I have to say it's pretty good! Cropped slightly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2GmCF0TtxA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 3, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 3, 2016 In setting of my 6s, I upped the fps to 60 vs standard 30. Also placed the wakeye app at 120fps. For whatever reason, this improved my vid quality to that of my 6. Very significant improvement and now am happy with 6s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 @Wish I tried all that with the 6s and still got terrible quality. Post some video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jibbo Posted August 4, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2016 @Wish is this the setting you changed from 30fps to 60fps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 4, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 4, 2016 @Jibbo yes HUGE DIFFERENCE!! . Still frame of before change and after. Same line length and speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Lieutenant Dan Posted August 4, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2016 @Wish For the iPhone in Wakeye app....Video Stabilization on or off? Also, did you use the Wakeye "zoom" as well? If so, what level e.g. 1.5X? Thanks. Really want to continue using my 6plus but getting bad video now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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303Skier Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 @Lieutenant Dan the iPhone 6plus had a mechanical optical stabilization that causes havoc with the vibrations from the boat. I don't think you'll get good video with any settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 Hard to beat the GoPro stills :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 4, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 4, 2016 I'll post video. It's as good as any on my 6 using the exact same tracking device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Lieutenant Dan Posted August 4, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2016 @303Skier So what, if anything, does the "Stabilisation" button on the Wakeye app do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 @Lieutenant Dan that would be a great question for @Jibbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jibbo Posted August 4, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2016 @Lieutenant Dan the stabilisation button turns off or on the digital/software stabilisation. There is no where in the apple api to turn off the optical stabilisation of the 6+. We tried all ways possible to do it, but it wasn't possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 4, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 4, 2016 So on my 6s the quality is not that bad and close to my 6. I uploaded to Vemio and it is degraded. The still from my prev post was off this vid but straight off 6s to post. There is not way I could get that clarity for the still if the vid looked so so like it does after being uploaded to Vemio. Hmmmm I sort of remember that if you do not buy into a Vemio plan that only so many vids can be uploaded at higher HD....I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 @Jibbo your information about impossibility of switching optical stabilisation (off ) saves time of empty tries of different settings. I gave in with phones and started with Sony camcorder. Big difference. Optical stabilisation in camcorder works as prescribed. Steady picture, even on rollers crossing. I use manual focus to avoid camera auto focusing on splashes and rear of the boat. Nice and clear video (video, not skier :'( ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 @OldboyII share some video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 @303Skier Do not have it now - I watch and delete after skiing. Skiing is worth nothing (( Next time I will save and post few frames. Nevertheless, try - you will like result because camcorder is the thing which made for it. Manual focus is the key. Easy to set - the focus number is your rope length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 Found still frame which I sent to friend inviting to join me next morning. Movie quality is about like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 The video I posted When Freeskiers Try the Course was filmed with Gopro 4 Silver 1080, narrow field of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mylemsky Posted August 16, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2016 Anyone have any luck or try a Nexus 6p? Have been using a back up Note 3 which overall works great, sometimes takes time to locate GPS. My LG g4 will not work, looking to have only 1 device to do it all. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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