Baller tony Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 Looking for a little input on the fin settings for a 68" 2016 Vapor. I'm a 34 mph skier trying to make my way through 38. I'm @ .735, 2.460, 6.955 - 30" boots. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 @Tony -- what is the ski doing well/not well at 35 off? What tends to happen when you shorten to 38? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 .755 boots forward to 30 3/8 Length and depth is good. I'm currently running 68" 2.508 6.855 .755 29 3/4 67 in is 29.5 9 degrees. These are from a radar pro and I love them. Just as fast. But you can push the ski more because it's even more stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tony Posted August 31, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 Thanks. Just moved the fin to the new settings and didn't seem to get released. Fighting the ski a little. I'll try .755 and slide the boots forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 @mbabiash Fin numbers you got from the pro, are they the same for both 67 and 68? @OB1 67"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MJE Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 68" 2.460 6.960 0.755 30.25 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 @DanE Yes same for both skis. Just different boots 67" 29.5 68" 29 3/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 @mbabiash @OB1 Thank you guys! Went out and tried 2.508, 6.855, .755, 9 deg, 29.5". Best this ski has felt so far (and it's been great before). Skied like crap lately as the season is winding down here and I've been plagued with injury the last month. Did not go to my hardest pass as I'm not fully healed yet, just went out and ran a couple of 28s and 32s and went back in. More forgiving, builds angle in to the first wake, actually felt like I was edge changing behind the boat and I was getting earlier with each buoy. The sometimes stop and go offside turn became a snappy finishing easy to control angle building turn. This should be an alternative factory setting imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 Fwiw, I never liked Rini settings. Been very close to Rossi settimgs the whole summer, first with boots @29.5 then the updated settings 29.75. Have also tried other setyings but this was the first alternative that feels meaningful to pursue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skier2788 Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 68 30.00 2.465 6.940 .733 wing 9 I ski at 36 mph but these settings feel good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 No problem @DanE I was on Rossi settings and loved the ski. Changed to the deep settings and just became more consistent. Ski doesn't seem to dive in as hard as on shallower settings. @ob1 you need to try them and let us know what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fehlindra Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 Had the 14 -15 Vapor both 66" this year the16 Vapor first one 67" sold that cos think it was to big for me and now on 66" but haven't got any one of the four skis to turn on my offside buoy 2 so haven't got past the third one for 3 years Vapor curse! this summer i tested the new 2016 D3 skis for 1 week 66" Quest ,65" Helix2 and 66" Arc, both the Helix and the Quest turns on my offside but not the Arc is the Arc more like Vapor ? and why does those ski turns for me offside and not any of the vapor skis? im 160 ibs can i get the 66" vapor act like the quest or helix doing something like move my boots way out of specs or do something with my fin ive tested all recommended fin settings from rossi rini and others im rly lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskior Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @Fehlindra what is your skiing ability and how much do you ski? That is a lot of skis to try. Looking at where you have the bindings on the vapor, possibly too far forward. The vapor should turn your offside money. The 16 vapor comes around and back under the rope like no other ski I've tried and I know others that could never get the 14-15 vapor to turn but they were d3 skiers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gavski Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @Fehlindra - remove the cants under your bindings and cut down your reflex boot - it is too rigid, and too high. My supershell now moves like a rubber/ vapor boot, but still protects my ankle... It will take a couple fo sets to get used to, but it will unlock the ski...go back to factory settings..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gavski Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 I took a couple of sets with KLP a couple of weeks ago and he adjusted my fin to: 0.751, 6.900, 2.471, 9 - boots stayed at 29 7/8....he also pivoted my rear boot more - actually, he moved my toes closer to the edge of the ski.... The ski feels fantastic - has pulled me right out of my late season slump.....now that i have a few miles under the ski with this setup, i will go back to him to see if he thinks a slight tweak is required.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 FWIW, rear boot pivoted so that pinkie toe is closer to ski edge (duck feet) may help the onside turn making the "healside" label make sense. It allows the skier to push the tail more with the rear foot on the on-side. Conversely, pivoting the rear boot such that the big toe is closer to the edge (pigeon toed) will open the hips more for the offside helping to allow the inside hip to come up and forward more with slight improvement to counter rotation, open shoulders, etc. So, if you have having issues on one side or another, you can try binding rotation to help balance it out. Just know that each rotation benefits on side at the expense of the other. It also may be used to account for hip/knee alignment uniqueness. I would have never tried the big toe rotation were it not for @SkiJay's Fin Whispering book. There are so many little gems throughout that book. I am ever-so-slightly toe rotated for my rear binding as I am currently working on moving up over my front foot before I get to the buoy. It has helped a little for now. I may go back to straight after my hips loosen/strengthen up to embrace this new technique more without the assistance of the binding rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gavski Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 KLP moved my toes closer to the side of the ski to help my offside turn...go figure... My rear binding was already pivoted - had been since 1998.... But he didnt think i had enough toe towards the edge.... Anyway, helped my offside instantly... Just took a little while to adjust my onside turn - this all before he adjusted my fin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @gavski - helped what specifically? finish of the turn? That might make sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gavski Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 Non of KLP's tweaks make sense to me, despite having read the fin whisperer....now the only thing stopping me getting beyond 4 ball@38 is my impatience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 Looking at the alternative settings mentioned above one common trait is that fin area is greatly reduced from factory settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 I am running Rossi's suggested settings straight up and the ski is running great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 That ski runs great on all settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2016 My fin settings were "whispered" to me, so it's a secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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