Baller Ski_Dad Posted January 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2017 I wear a size Large radar gloves. I have tried 2 times to put on Large Radar Vice gloves and there is no chance. L was the biggest size Vice that both shops I visited had in stock. Do you think XL or XXL for Vice ? i also see the Masterline Pro Locks- any size recommendation ? thanks and have a great weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LZywicki1 Posted January 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2017 I would go with the Masterline large Pro-Locks, I could never get the Radar gloves to fit. Larry -----<| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted January 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2017 Get ahold of Joe Darwin at cottonwood water ski for the masterline! Great price and he will make sure you get the right size! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski_Dad Posted January 13, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 13, 2017 thanks guys :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 I used L Radar Vice in the old black and white style. I had to get them wet to put them on. The key is the length of the strap from wrist to top of the sewing. Those L pairs were 6.25". When they started wearing out, I ordered two pairs of the new black gray style. The strap was 5.75" on both and couldn't get the top strap closed. The shorter strap wouldn't allow me to open my hand up propoerly. I then ordered XL and XXL and to my surprise, the strap was the same on all of them. Could not use them. Masterline is also under 6", so you need to try to see how the strap length effects you opening your hand. You should be only able to open about 75-80%. If you can straighten your fingers out it's too long and if you can only get yoir hand open 50% it's too short. Waiting to see what the new Vice glove strap lengths are. I hope they are longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 @A_B what diameter handle are you using? I usually wear a medium glove and have fairly big hands. Due to the nature of this glove, sizing up will still work well and fit comfortable. The 2017 Vice glove has been updated and is an amazing fit and function glove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 Love my Radar Vice gloves, I wear a medium which is a tight fit but easy to get on if its wet. I switch between 1 Vice and 2 depending on how my palm down arm is feeling. Top quality product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 @Chris Rossi I dropped to a 1" when using the Vice. I have been in contact with Eddie on this to get strap measures on the new gloves, which look really nice by the way. Here is a photo of my last pair of black white. Strap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 Sorry JH, I had strap highlighted on my iPhone but it blew the picture into another post. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 @A_B that year glove the straps were really long. They have been and will remain shorter moving forward. The new fit of the 2017 is the most comfortable, functional Vice glove yet and will be a big seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 I will give them a go because I really liked the ones I had been using. Maybe it's me, but the strap length seems to be the critical component of these gloves. Maybe sold with how long it is on average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 @Chris Rossi good to know. Radar Vice quality is top notch, but sizing was small initially and the feel a little bulky. Some refinements to that glove and they should be great. Looking forward to a trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski_Dad Posted January 14, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 i guess my issue is I can't get the butt of my hand into the glove. How do you guys get past that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deep11 Posted January 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 15, 2017 Hi @Chris Rossi in terms of feedback the vice is great - love em and wouldn't go back to a normal glove for any money. The next improvement would be (in my opinion) to have a Kevlar Palm - I wear through the damn things in a dozen sets and have to stitch em up :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted January 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 15, 2017 @Mitzysman the 2017 glove is completely new cut that is much easier to put on and is way less bulky. @Deep11 the change in design has also increased the gloves longetivity. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunsetkeys1 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 2017 vice size runs larger than normal. I've worn clinchers since they were purple in color. My large I bought from Miami is to big. They changed the stitching from inside the glove to outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmode Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I have used the Radar vise - Black gloves for last three seasons- I use large and very difficult to get on the first 6 times, but then they are perfect. I pull the dowels out and just use them as regular gloves with the strap. I have not found any gloves that last me more then a 3 weeks during season they shred on the outsides of the strap areas. Also the D-ring for the wrist strap breaks and bends (every pair) . I actually like the grip on the MS pro locks but the glove is thinner and shreds on the outsides of the strap areas pretty fast. I have many friends that use them and get more then a year with one pair. Last year I went through over 25 pairs of gloves. This off season I have been trying out regular gloves and really like the Miami Nautique yellow gloves. Only regular glove that has not bunched in callous area of palm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 29, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 29, 2017 Am a big Vice fan in terms of comfort. About the only ways I have found to significantly reduce ware is to purchase 2 pair and rotate them. Always use a dry pair either the next day or the next set. Also puting them on dry. Like above, I was going through pairs faster then one would think considering the loads are in the strap. I have also ironed on patches when gloves were new in the places I knew they would ware. That worked well but only if I took my time applying them. Without question they are the most comfortable clincher style gloves I have used (15+years). Sizing has jumped around a bit but like above, if you find a pair that's hard to get on the first time and several times after, that's your size. One's that go on easy will stretch out soon and that will eat them up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted January 29, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2017 @Beastmode with the new design of the 2017 Vice glove, my gloves are lasting considerably longer. We changed the cut of the top of the glove and changed the material there which functions better than the older glove. The fit is so good, we were able to eliminate the over the top of the hand velcro strap without losing the holding power of the glove. We made countless versions of the glove to improve hand entry and redesigned the wrist strap to be even more functional. I have been using the 2017 vice glove for over a year (testing and perfecting) and I think you will be pleased with the fit/comfort/function/durability of the new update. Below is a link to the information page with pictures. https://www.radarskis.com/portfolio_page/vice/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 29, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 29, 2017 @Chris Rossi WOW. Those look amazing. And one less sinch strap to deal with...perfect. Now THOSE are on the top of my 2017 things I will be purchasing. Well done sir!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmode Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 @chris Rossi I saw the new vise inside out gloves. I will be trying them soon. Anything done with the tack weld on the Dring? I have broken and bent 30+ pairs of these. last season after they broke I started twisting the wrist strap and Duct taping them because the glove was still good. That worked ok but if I took a huge load hit they pull apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 29, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 29, 2017 @Beastmode your kidding right? 30+ pair? That's over $2000 in gloves. I would move on to something else. I have stuck with Vice gloves despite some miner things...and they are miner, but 30 pair of anything seems to me to be no longer the probuct but the way the product is used. Nothing is without its limits and breaking points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmode Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 @wish im not kidding. Im a bigger guy 225 2015 season and 205 to 210 last season and got my avg into 38'. Tried lots of gloves in the past and Radar Vise or Masterline Pro lock are the only thing I could ski aggressive with. I have went through 9 handles the last two years also. Last year april to sept I was buying 3 pairs of gloves every month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmode Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 @Chris Rossi @wish - 2014 was my first season and durning Nationals I brought 6 pairs of Vise gloves in to Show Chris Sullivan how they breaking and wearing. He said they were working on the problem and he had Radar send me an replacement pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 29, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 29, 2017 there was a run of these that had plastic Drings a few yrs back and yes I broke a few but they have moved to metal Drings now. Radar was very generous is replacing mine as well. Another reason I stuck with them. Have not broken any or bent since. As said, everything has a limit and breaking point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2017 @beastmode cracks me up. Only cuz I was a comp power lifter and power skier who used to destroy ropes and handles for a living. I skied back then at 215 and needed custom clothing with traps connecting to my earlobes. When skiing Perfect Pass back then I would tell them to put my body weight at 275. The drivers were like you don't weigh 275...and I'd be like do you want to run the time or not...by the way keep two hands on the wheel at 2 and 4. I'm smaller, lighter (190), older, more efficient and have not broken a rope/handle in years now. This is not to say I don't throw down a 2 and 4 ball here and there and bend open a D ring on clincher style gloves...still happens...I go thru about 3 pairs per season...I've had the straps break as well with some regularity. I get a crack at 39 on occasion. Just going to say this man...drop some weight, work some efficiency in technique. I know your style is your tried and true but no one is going to solve your 30 plus pair of gloves and 10 handles in a season problem but you. Would love to see you ski man...brings back memories! Need to make up time on a 240 hp carb boat in a tourney...OK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski_Dad Posted February 4, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted February 4, 2017 Hey guys, I'm the OP on this thread - anyhow I was at the pro shop today in Ohio and they had the new Vice gloves in stock! I tried on the Large and i could actually get them on and they fit perfect - very compfortable too compared to my other radar gloves - maybe just a hair larger in size - I think that is how they fit b/c of the inside out stitching. So i bought a pair - gonna use them on Monday at ski school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 4, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 4, 2017 @Mitzysman little tip...take some sand paper lightly to the straps before first use. Otherwise I find the new straps slippery until broken in. A light sanding to rough 'em up just a little makes them broken in from the get-go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted February 4, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted February 4, 2017 @6balls speaks the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted February 5, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 5, 2017 I was bummed when original Clinchers were unavailable. I switched to Masterline clinchers. Worked OK but complex and difficult to put on. Slippery when new so I burned holes in the webbing to increase the grip. Also tried painting the webbing with wetsuit glue to make it stickier. Once they were broken in they were OK. Haven't tried the Radars but Lisa switched to regular Radar gloves from her Masterline clinchers. Said the new Radar gloves were wonderfully grippy. I switched to Goode clinchers when I got my Goode vest. The Goode clinchers are the closest to the original Clinchers. But Lisa didn't like them - twisted on her hands. I use a rubber band to keep the webbing attached to the fingers. This allows a quick release of the handle. @AKShortline uses O-rings. Cheap, easy and effective, thanks Brent for a clever solution. @Mitzysman enjoy the fewer blisters and enhanced grip. And ski school! Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski_Dad Posted February 5, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted February 5, 2017 Great tip! Are we talking 400 grit or something really high like 1000 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 5, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 5, 2017 @Mitzysman don't overthink it, whatever is handy. It doesn't take much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted February 5, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 5, 2017 40 grit! Rough it up seriously. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted February 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 8, 2017 if you have an outdoor stair tread or some thing like that with some of that black traction material stuck to it just rub the gloves on that to rough up the straps. seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zoro957 Posted February 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 8, 2017 It appears that the new Radar grippers have a loop that might be able to be used on the Good power vest? Anybody try that yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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