Baller cragginshred Posted August 24, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2017 Finally got my Carbitex boots broke in and love them. Same day I almost ran my 1st -32 loop I feel forward at 3 ball at -28 and my back foot came out to the ankle then stopped in the rear boot (RFF). I have been following the guidelines of tight bottom looser top to the point of being able to pull it out on the dock if needed after tightening the same as I would for skiing Each time I finish my set I can take off top laces and pull foot out without popping boa snap. Having said that from what I described it was the top the prevented my foot from coming out so it was the culprit that was too tight right? Last thing I will say is in general I tuck and roll if it's a bad fall and don't come out of the previous Vapor boots which makes me think I don't want to come out. Also in the back of my mind coming out makes it more likely to partially come out??? I have not had any falls like that yet in the Carbitex just tipping over in the apex or pulling off the ball and not being able to hang on.. Any other tips you've found to stay safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigskieridaho Posted August 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2017 Someone else that skis at our lake tore his ankle up because he didn't release out of his boot. I also ski with a Vapor, however got the next size up which was suggested and have no issue releasing even with the laces super tight. After the heat mold fit like a glove and released as needed. As for the other guy, he puts his foot in a plastic bag and then puts his foot in the boot so he releases. Not sure if you want to try the size up, or about the only thing you can do is loosen the laces which may make it tough to ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller hemlock Posted August 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2017 I lace my Carbitex snug on the bottom and snug on the top. Nothing is tight. Haven't had a bad fall yet either, but feel comfortable/confident that the inner shell will pop out with my foot if I do have a bad crash. Most comfortable boot I've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jerrym Posted August 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2017 I just moved into a carbitex front binding and love it as well. I have been in a similar homemade system for years and have found that it is okay to come out partially - front or back. I expect a full release from the carbitex for those out-the-front tuck and roll falls (that fortunately don;t happen as much as they used to!! ). I snug up the top lace and am comfortable and feel a good connection to the ski. I keep my back foot very loose - it helps me make sure I keep my COM forward. In summary if you need to come out completely, you will do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted August 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2017 Right foot forward, double boot,size 9 1/2 shoe, size 10 Carbitex, boa lace and top lace as tight as possible. Tail blew out on my on side at 32off in almost white caps. Front heel only came up less then a inch. Tip of ski hit me above the upper lip had to be glued together. Front Achilles ruptured, broken Fibula. This happened July 29th. My fault for having top bungee too tight. I've rode Vapor boots ever since they were the original Strada boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2017 Ouch @skierjp Hope you heal up as soon as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted August 31, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 @skierjp wow that sucks, sorry to hear this. Thanks for the heads up and def heal fast my friend. As an update I have been lacing to top much looser and am used to it with no issue yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jetpilotg4 Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 @skierjp Get better soon my friend!! Whats the expected recovery time on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 Should be skiing by late February. Dr says maybe December but I'm not going to push it. Here in Florida it gets windy and cool anyway so why push it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 Wow. That's a doozy! Top laces only lightly snugged is how I've been told to run the Vapors. Your pic is a good reminder for that! Get well man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 Just got the 2018 model year of the Carbitex boots. I lace them up in similar fashion to my RS-1's. They are snug on the bottom and loose/snug on the top. Overly tight will hurt your feet while too loose and you won't have any control. Experiment a little bit and see what is the most comfortable. Chances are that if it is comfortable it is less likely to hurt you. Also, don't hold on to anything that can hurt you - we aren't getting paid for this sport :smiley:! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppy Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2016 Vapor front (LFF) and rtp rear. Size 9 shoe (USA) and size 10 Vapor. BOA tight, top laces done up but just snug. two or three OTF's this month, all released properly. Vapor boot doesn't quite have the lateral snap and precision of my old Reflex hardshell, but prefer it generally. Really grateful to BoS info for the heads up of having the top lacing a bit loose to aid release, otherwise I may have gone for tight laces all round. Healing vibes to skierjp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 Have any of you moved from a Strada boot to the Carbitex. I have heard the Carbitex run a little smaller. I am wearing a 10 Strada and have a 10.5 foot. Not sure what size Carbitex I would need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ISP6ball Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 @Chef23 , you definitely want to size up. I'm a 9.5 shoe, and the 10's are snug, but perfect for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 I've had them all including the RS-1s. The sizes seem to be consistent. I've been told the insole tightens the boot up a half size. The toe should just touch the end when you try it on. For some reason it doesn't when you ski. One tip is to use a thin dress sock when trying them on. You will get a truer fit. Put the liner in the shell first then put your foot in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 My toes hit the fronts of my 10 stradas and I like that. It is similar to snow ski boots when you are skiing your knee is flexed and that moves your toes back in the boot a bit. I think a friend of mine just ordered an 11 Carbitex so I will have that to try on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 Not sure about the smaller sizes but my size 13/14 feet (depending on shoe) will touch the front of the 13/14 boot liner un-molded. It's not pressed in there tight but my toe definitely touches. I molded mine with a thick sock on my forefoot and they're perfect that way. I'd say they run maybe a tiny bit small, at least at the big end, but with proper molding, they can be made to fit however you like. If you like a tighter toe clearance, don't use the sock. See if you can stick your foot into your friend's 11 before he heat molds it. The molding changes everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2017 @Chef23 - get the 11. I ran size 12's in the RS-1's and the size 12 in the Carbitex boots my feet were swimming. I went with the size 11 and they are perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted September 1, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2017 Tip for molding, cut the toe and ball off 2 pairs of old socks, bake your liners and pull both cut off toes over your feet, then one pair of socks, this will compress and draw out the foam in the toe of the shoe, while letting the heel and arch mold, intuition sells kits for 10$ that have toe covers - http://intuitionliners.com/shop/home-fitting-kit/ but basically are the same concept - you want clearance in the toe of the shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller TallSkinnyGuy Posted September 1, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2017 Anyone know where someone in the Sacramento area can try on a Vapor boot? I called Radar, but the customer service person I spoke with could only give me names of Radar dealers in the area, which is already posted on their website. I tried calling a number of the dealers listed, but couldn't find any who could confirm whether or not they had the Vapor boot (they could answer lots of questions about wakeboard products, but ski products -- not so much). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edmund Posted September 1, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2017 Around 7 years ago, I tore a leg muscle when I did not come out of my RS-1's. Ever since then I have been running my Radar boots with slightly snug/loose top laces. Currently on Vapors. Seem to usually release fine, but from time-to-time I will still end up with one foot in and one foot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted September 1, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2017 My boots shipped with labels affixed to the laces saying DO NOT TIGHTEN, saying they may not release properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted September 1, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2017 And new Vector comes with label "approx 35 Lbs of force, not more" on upper laces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller TallSkinnyGuy Posted September 1, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2017 Does anyone know what applying 35 lbs of force on laces feels like? For me, that is truly unhelpful information. However, it is probably better than saying "Do not tighten." Why would the laces even need to be there if you are not supposed to tighten them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted September 1, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2017 Pull laces with hand luggage scales and remember what you feel and how far it stretches )) Added. For example: laces at desired force stretch up to knee. Remember it - distance to knee will be reference point to pull. Not further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted September 2, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2017 @OldboyII , good idea but, how many of us do u think have one of those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted September 2, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2017 @igkya at least it is a good reason to get it, will be also useful to travel by air ) Simple, analog one with round dial is few $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted September 2, 2017 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2017 You could also use a fish scale from Bass Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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