Such_a_brett

@DW the condos aren't approved yet because they will require a rezone. They also do not inherently have boat access. Beyond the 123 home lots, there will be a limited number of boat club memberships available for purchase to the community (the condo residents can purchase one of those if available) the quantity of which will be adjusted based on how busy the lakes are.

 

There are 13 lots on the slalom lake, but all members have the ability to use both lakes.

In our case those running the boat club will play an important role in keeping the community the serene and secluded place it was designed to be. It would be different if we were just turning people loose on the boats. Instead we have professional drivers and a handful of certified owners allowed to drive. The latter would be at risk of losing their drive privledge of there are complaints. The former could lose their job. I'm confident it'll be plenty quiet. In fact I suspect there will be more problems with kids pumping backyard music with friends over.

One benefit here is that it isn't a public lake. There can be relatively strict limits and because there are no personal watercraft, it's easier to enforce.

I think there are two good mechanisms. The suggestion to remove bridge speakers is a good one as they are designed to send loud music outside the boat.

 

Secondly, it's not particularly difficult to install a volume limiter that is pre-set for 60db at 75ft. Sound intensity is non-linear. So 60db is 10x more intense than 50db. If we preset a varied playlist to peak at 60db @ 75ft that would probably be a good starting point and then adjust down from there if necessary.

 

I agree about vulgarity, but it easiest just to use the typical ratings. Pandora, YouTube Music, public radio, etc all do a pretty good job following FCC regulations. Beyond that it will just have to be keeping the volume low enough to prevent otherwise vulgar themes from imposing on residents.

 

This community isn't meant to provide the big lake boating experience where 12 people go out for an entire afternoon far from anyone else, blasting music and goofing off more than actually skiing. There are a couple very large cold mountain lakes within a reasonable drive for that. This is meant for those who want to be relaxing in their backyard, boat noses up to the shore, they hop on and ski/surf for 30-60 minutes while someone cooks their steak or burgers, and then they warm up in the hot tub while chatting and watching others enjoy their time on the water. Or the avid skier who wants to get a few turns in on glass before leaving for work or just before dinner.

@swbca

 

Your input is appreciated. We've had a lot of discussion about this. Right now we are leaning toward music is allowed below certain decibel levels and with no explicit lyrics. It will probably be something like 55-60 decibels, which means the riders cannot discern the words while moving, but maybe a decent tradeoff. For reference, 55-60dB is a normal adult conversation. Since our boats are run through the boat club, it's easier to control.

 

I agree with your sentiments.

Hit some delays with the federal regulators and change in administrations. Ultimately had to eliminate 12 lots and redesign the slalom lake. Taking reservations next week and hope to break ground soon.

 

@Zman

 

Thanks for the tips. We don't really have to worry about shoreline growth as much. From 24" below water to 18" above water the shoreline consists of 8oz non-woven black geofabric with 6" of beach sand over it, except in the turn areas where it is river pebble over the geofabric. That won't eliminate growth, but will surely slow it.

 

The community has a 5-man full time landscape/lake maintenance crew to take care of any undesirable growth. A tractor with a drag mat should work nicely for both weed growth and erosion control. Also, home owners are required to maintain their section above the waterline.

@lpskier

 

The evaporation is accounted for. In this region we have approximately 2 acre-feet of evaporation each year from Apr-Oct. But that is very small compared to the water exchange rate we can build into the lakes. For example, if we wanted the water to exchange completely once a month, we'd design for about 6.5 cubic feet per second inflow. making up for evaporation would only add another 0.33cfs to that. I guess that isn't really a small amount of water, as it is still about 150 gallons per minute. But within the larger picture of building a recharge lake, the groundwater seepage is many times greater than the evaporation.

 

@Horton

 

I think "cold" is probably a relative term. If we pull from the river, it is straight snow melt until early July, so injecting 40F water into the lake is less than desirable. Once we get into July it is primarily spring water, so closer to 50F, but that is still very cold to spend time in. Ideally it would be closer to 70-75F most of the season.

Does anyone have specific info on what would be considered the most optimal water turnover in a man-made ski lake. At our new project, we have the ability to control the flow of water through the lakes. Some flow keeps the water fresh and slows the pressure from algae and other growth. Too fast would keep the water unnecessarily colder and also eliminate the ability to use dyes.

 

For additional detail, one lake is 10 acres surface area and 7 feet deep. The other is 25 acres and 15 feet deep. The source water is about 55-60 degrees. Northern UT, so the summer is very hot and dry.

@man0seven we will likely be opening to the public a small number of family season memberships to the boat club while all lots haven't sold yet. If you're interested, I'll keep you posted.

@escmanaze website will be up soon with animated virtual renderings. I've been trying to resist the urge to post raw clips here before the post production work is done. :)

We've officially made it through city council and planning commission. These things are never easy, but this will be great once completed.

@kurtis500

 

I've been told by several sources that for manufacturers like Mastercraft and Malibu, sales for this region are typically 2nd or 3rd highest in the nation.

 

Utah is the 2nd driest state, but that just means we have to create a bunch of reservoirs. Some of our reservoirs are really big and reservoirs tend to be warmer than lakes. Also, the winter and early spring are the highest rainfall with summer being the lowest. Those who live here know that we frequently go for a 3 month stretch with scarce cloud cover and no measurable precipitation. Which also means it is quite hot. And being high elevation, the sun is much stronger here, but there's low humidity. Basically, boating in the UT climate is downright pleasant for about 5 months of the year. If you happen to have a shallow private lake, you can stretch that to 6-7 months.

 

Combine all that with a general cultural affinity for outdoor lifestyle looking for a summer replacement of snow skiing and snowboarding. Also modest cost of living. It's easy to see why boating is so popular here.

 

Thanks for the encouragement.

@Alberto Soares that is a good idea.

 

The lakes should be functional late summer this year and I'll get a few of the local guys who've participated here out on the water before it gets cold.

 

The infrastructure will be fully completed and operational early spring 2022. As there will only be a handful of residents living on-site at that time, we will be selling a certain number of household season access passes to non-residents. Given the value of the input here, I'll talk to the partners about hooking up any of the ballers who participated here. Something like giving them access for a season and use fees closer to the resident rate.

 

We'll only be selling access to non-residents probably for the first two seasons. After that, we might already have too many resident households to consider selling to the public.

@Golfguy

 

Will have the website running shortly. Trying to get the virtual rendering and flyover animation completed right now.

So close now. Hope to be papered by March. Taking lot reservations now. :)

Can anyone tell me if the Laku Landing developers are members of BOS? We had a couple questions for either of them, if so.

@dvskier that is a good observation.

Our intention right now is to allow a small number of residents to get driver certified. They are most likely to want sets in the shoulder season.

 

There will also probably be a scheduling window during the shoulder season. Something like you gotta schedule at least 3 hours in advance to ensure driver availability. Won't be an issue May 1 to mid Sep as I expect drivers to be on site continually during that time.

No personal watercraft allowed and drivers are provided for the exact reasons you list.

Wow. With 100ft diameter turn islands, you'd need a large offset to get it lined up. On ours the island is about 60ft diameter. I could probably shift it another 20ft, but not sure I could go so far as to get it perfectly lined up with the center of the buoys.

One question is how narrow can the left channel get. I was trying to keep about 100ft width all the way around.

Thanks for the feedback. They are currently offset about 30ft to the left as you approach them. So a fairly straight setup, but not perfectly lined up as you round the island.

@Stevie Boy

 

I understand your sentiment. The thing I had to ask myself is why, if recreational waterfront property is by far the most desirable property in the US, do many of the smaller waterski sites fail. After a ton of analysis, I realized that it was precisely because they are targeting a very small niche demographic. So I asked myself, would I ever follow in their footsteps, or would I aim to create something that the masses would be tripping over themselves to become part of. IOW, would I rather have a small exclusive site that struggles to survive, or a large site that sells out of lots within 3 years?

 

I do have a passion for watersports, but I'm not willing to throw capital into a money pit to feed that passion.

 

Regarding why I asked the question... if you read from the beginning of the thread until now, you'll see that this final edition of the project is dramatically different from the original proposal. I didn't have all the answers, and received a ton of value from the comments here. We are getting to the point where we have most of the answers now. What remains are the nuances of what the experience will be like for the residents. How can we best ensure that they will not be battling for boat time. I'm confident that we have that mostly figured out now.

@Martin1980

 

The turn islands are already offset as you suggest. Are you suggesting offsetting them even further?