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John, You obviously noticed I used the "hole" nomenclature and an actual measurement as well? Didn't want another of your dreaded Pandas. I know how anal you with the whole "hole" thing.

I'm riding the same ski and have the bindings one hole forward on a Sequence plate which puts the front boot right at 31" and it feels just fine there. 30.5 is definitely not too far forward.

Close to my story as well except the islands we skied to and around were Blake, Vashon and Maury and the beach at Three Tree Point. Rinsed a lot of salt water off of our gear and out of our outboards over the years. We even ran a '41 Chris Craft with a 283 Corvette motor in the salt water. That was cool. Had slalom courses at Three Tree and Seahurst beach. Fun being a kid!

@thager Yuk, I can only imagine. But I'd just as soon not!

I don't think so, I already have one, although mine is a little "dog eared". So, no.

@wilecoyote The poster, but I'd trade it for the ski.

That's what I thought. I still have one.

Suzanne Somers? (sp?)

I'm with Horton on this one. I've done both but prefer no heat. Wear a 10.5 shoe and size 11 Vapor boots and let my feet mold them. Works great.

@wettek69 Yes it does. Herb grew up on Lake Sammamish.

@wettek69 The graphics you see on the Competitor are indeed taken from a picture of the east shore of Lake Sammamish.

@WBLskier The size 8 Vapor boot would be too big. Your daughter would need to have about a size 9 ladies foot for a decent fit in a size 8 Vapor boot.

Even though the Katana was not necessarily designed for shortline slalom, Mike Gile couldn't help himself and took one out for a rip last summer and got to the six ball at -35 and 34 MPH. This was on a rock stock ski with the standard non adjustable fin. Mike was chastised for not sacrificing his body and just throwing himself at the six, the boat crew would have liked to see that! It is definitely course capable.

Doc gave me a frontal lobotomy, thought he asked me if I wanted a bottle in front of me. Now I don't know what to think.

@bigskieridaho PM me next time you're in town and come out and have a rip. It's a little snowy right now but I'd pull you.

The most important question would be, "do you both ski with the same foot forward?"

@Horton That's kind of what I was alluding to. Sent from Andrew's computer.

I found a Kimball fiberglass slalom at a garage sale for ten bucks not too long ago. It's a Willa Maguire pro model with a tapered tail. Different mold obviously from the skis pictured. Ed Brazil has probably skied on one and probably knew her. Right Ed?

@Sivota I prefer the Sequence plate myself because I move my bindings around from ski to ski a good bit and it's very convenient for that. That being said, I doubt you would feel much, if any, difference in performance. One advantage the Sequence plate has though is the ability to move the plate fore and aft in smaller increments. There is a second set of holes by the front of the back boot that represents binding movements of .125" as opposed to .250" with the middle set of holes.

@nzguy We set the fin on a 2017 67" Senate at 2.460, 6.960 and .760 DFT. I've been running my Vapor Boots at 30 7/8" from the tail after moving my Sequence plate one hole forward. Not sure it needed to go forward but it sure felt good so I left it there. You're gonna like your new ski!

I think the Graphite Senate will work just fine for him. I've been skiing on the 2017 Graphite and really like it. I personally don't think he needs to go all the way up to a 71" ski though. I think he'll really like the 69" Senate Graphite.

@TallSkinnyGuy The extra .020" width in the 2017 Senates obviously gives them more surface area over the Vapor. More surface area will allow a ski to ride a little higher on the water than a ski with the same shape with less surface area. A ski that is riding higher on the water will have less drag and be less critical to what is happening directly under the skiers feet. The 2017 Senates have a softer flex than a Vapor which also enhances the turn initiation with less input from the skier. 2017 Senate Alloy Is a faster shape because it finishes the turn quicker and gets between the skier and the boat and creates more, sustainable angle. The 2017 Senate Alloy is 100% carbon so naturally it will be a bit faster than previous Alloys which were half carbon and half glass. The wood stringers will dampen the ride in choppy water as they are located in the forward third of the ski but they will not hinder acceleration. Hope this answers your questions.

I've used Superfeet in my boots before but haven't really compared the release properties. If you are looking to take up some room inside the boot you may want to try the orange ones. I believe they are the thickest.

The Vector and the Lyric are basically the same boot. The Profile might fit a little better but the release properties are about the same as they are on the Vector.

Although the 2017 Lithium has the same flex and rocker as the 2016 it does have a tighter plain weave carbon for the top layer.