Ed, I am a 32-35 off skier whom has been skiing tournaments for over 15 years, I am in no way trying to bring some litigation against you or anyone else. I am simply trying to protect my injury the next time I ski, which wont be for awhile anyway. I have been around the block once or twice so I know all the obvious arguments about its a dangerous sport, any joe blow who dosent know what he's doing can screw up any setup to make it dangerous. I am simply trying to find the best solution to my problem. What is the best way to do that? Get other input from as many possible sources in order to make an informed decision. Isint that what you do when you come to the inner tubes? That is exactly what makes this forum so fantastic, I dont have to learn the hard way, or try to figure it out through trial and error. Obviously there is no binding that is 100% injury proof, and all brands have had their share of injuries. Everyone has their opinion and I just want to hear what that is... 410, I agree with you on the front lace type, and as far as rubber dont like em anyway. JackQ, what I dont like about them is one foot in and one comes out, had that happend to me once with tragic results. Than, u seem to be on the same page, I like your thinking regarding the fogman, and I too never liked the idea of velcro yet many people have great results.