andjules

When I look at that triptych, I see two main things in your pic (compared to Nate & Terry):

a) trace a line from the heel of the back foot, through the hip, to the left shoulder. Your hip is back, and your shoulder is forward (and your hands are higher).

b) frankly, they're leaning harder away from the pylon.

"patented convex hull"

 

The irony of this clickbait is that we are like fish with hooks in our mouths, still talking about the poor flavor of the worms

"My experience with lift cables, galvanized break at the waterline due to corrosion. The cable that stays submerged tends to be fine."

This.

Consider a short section of stainless at your (presumably above the waterline) winch, tying/looping into your galvanized underwater. Or see how long your galvanized lasts and do this localized repair when the time comes. But the completely submerged sections should last quite a while, especially if there are no sharp stress points underwater.

New/recent answer: no.

Reason? (Is it a good one? not really:)

I drive a motorbike. Not great for carrying big things.

Course lake is one direction.

My brother's cottage in another.

I've got an old-but-still-pretty-good HO S2, so took it to my brother's for free skiing opportunities.

@DavidN I think they're manufactured by SP, but that doesn't mean they're just re-branded (although they could be). Any reason to think they're not different skis (same manufacturer)?

@jpattigr I love that you spelled 'Vapour' Canadian/British-style :D

My ski got stolen! :(

Looking for a quick and affordable replacement for ski and/or boots.

Anyone have any Radar RS-1/Strada/Vapor boot(s), size 8-9? Open to other bindings too.

Also looking for a 67 ski, let's say 2016 or newer, leaning towards D3 but open to other ideas. Want to get back on the water!!

@Clydesdale just to be clear:

- is this on private ski lake or public water? if public, then:

- - is the boat only for skiing or social too? how big/busy is the public water?

- is your crew just your son & you?

Love the rapid set up for the Toe O.

And if you've never tried it before, a two-ski wake line back is one of the toughest tricks going. There are folks throwing flips who would be very surprised by it; way harder than one ski stepovers

@AlpJr you're both right in a sense. The Echelon and pre-98 Responses (and even the Sunsetter) were on the same fundamental hull design (Malibu's "SV23" hull) as the Tantrum & Sportster models. But as the hull hit the waterline, the Sportster & Tantrum were the narrow/lighter version, the Echelon/Response are the middle-width/middle-weight version and the Sunsetter was the even-wider/even-heavier. Again, the wet part of the hull shape is basically the same, but the real world slalom experience can be noticeably different (the Sunsetter isn't as fun to slalom behind as you'd think from reading the brochure).

I'll echo what others have said here: at the right price, it's a great boat. I understand the comments about the wake hardness and tracking, but it's important not to overstate them: it's a tiny wake that's a teensy tiny bit harder than the 'diamond hull' malibus that came a few years later; and the tracking isn't as quite as good as some of the best tournament boats in history; however, they're both perfectly acceptable and if your crew is in the 26mph to (let's say) -35 off @ 36mph range, the Tantrum is an absolutely fine boat if it's what you can afford.

As to quality, it's right at the beginning of the 'modern era' for Malibu: the good news is there's no wood in the construction and good bones. Fit and finish on the details is not top of the line but the hull is solid.

@torontoboater which Clear Lake? (it seems like every township/district in Ontario has a 'Clear Lake' or a 'Long Lake')

Toronto guy, former cottager from Huntsville/Dwight area, skied @ Bush's as a kid, skied at T's Pond for a few years, now skiing @ Paul Roberts' site near Aberfoyle.

Coming at this as a marketer (not engineer), with a human psychology perspective:

Sometimes dialing in parameters isn't a homework assignment, it's an expression of love.

 

Ok, I admit, I'm being dramatic.

 

But let's look at coffee.

 

For people who like coffee, engineers have designed a product (Keurig/Nespresso) with a bunch of best-average-assumptions, nothing to tune (except at the store: choosing your favorite flavor), press one button and go.

 

But for people who love coffee, they immerse themselves in arduous rituals, tuning everything, from obsessing over which grinder to buy, which granularity to adjust to, what temperature to heat the water, etc., etc., with some folks even roasting their own beans. We tend to show love (devotion) through what evolutionists call "expensive behaviours". That includes buying callipers and adjusting fins, even when we shouldn't.

 

@Than_Bogan I get it, the engineer — like a good writer/editor — should keep carving away getting down to the fewest adjustable parameters that can make the most meaningful difference. If the fewest parameters = zero, that's a good day for an engineer (what did Einstein say? something like "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler"). But for the kind of folks that join a forum to spend all winter talking about slalom technique (and fin settings): well, forgive them, they're in love.

RIP? That's sad news.

My first Canadian Nationals was in 1984, Kreg was still far ahead of Jaret. First time I saw a TWL5B - hell of a tough trick.

Don't have pics, but wakeboarding down the wailua river in Kauai, Hawaii was pretty bloody nice.

That's one of my favourites. A great era for Malibu. Enjoy!

Cell phone manufacturers have been talking about dual-frequency GPS chips for a while (2018) but while I haven't kept up on the details, broadly, the results haven't seemed to live up to the hype. 2nd gen dual-frequency chips getting into phones later this year. Google's Pixel 4 might be the best of the current bunch, but the hope is to get from old cell phone accuracy of +/-10 meters (~33') down to +/- 10-30 centimeters (4-12").

I'm really interested in how the high-end shape with the low- or mid-level materials work for (i) mid-level course skiers and (ii) free-skiers (e.g. vapor/senate graphite, senate alloy, non-syndicate Omni).

 

On the one hand, it would be a sad state of affairs if we felt everyone carving at 28mph "needs" the newest $2,000 ski. On the other hands, if the shape really is better for anyone 28mph and above, it might makes sense for companies like Radar to re-think their broad product lineups and how to hit strategic price points while still giving people the best ski for their level. Would it be more profitable to offer 2 shapes and 3-4 layups vs 7 shapes?

High WAF (wife approval factor)

When he was done instructing and idling away, my coach always said (deadpan): "ok, now you follow me".

Here's how that doesn't apply to ski boat pricing:

Yes, you can spend a silly amount on a new toolbox (or inboard ski boat), if you want to

No, you can't buy an inexpensive new inboard ski boat, if you want to. But you can still find a new cheap toolbox.

@motoxr @MuskokaKy

a) I grew up skiing behind a JCraft our family bought from the CNE ski show (with center-mount throttle!)

b) years later I skied for a summer at the CNE ski show (behind JCrafts, of course)

c) last summer I ended up skiing several times with Paul Roberts at his new lake (behind a Ski Nautique 200)

@thager #17 is 5 ball of your 3rd pass

In a bizarre coincidence given this thread, Neil Peart, legendary Rush drummer, just passed away.