Baller ForrestGump Posted April 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2011 Not a shoulder but found out I needed knee surgery last week. Torn meniscus in my right knee. Doesn't really bother me skiing. But I feel it walking up and down stairs. Doc says it's ok to wait til October as long as it doesn't balloon up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Marco Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 Sorry to hear about your knee. The bright side is you can wait until the end of summer to get it fixed. What is the rehab time on a meniscus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 Yeah, he told me plan on two weeks on crutches and 6 weeks overall. Unless I tear it up worse between now and then. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 Sounds familiar. 3 years ago I tore mine in May. Skied all summer. In the fall I could feel it getting worse if it twisted wrong. Had surgery in January and was back biking in a month and skiing by April. Let me know if you need a referral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 Kelvin, I'm using Dr Fain who only does knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Shane, Crutches for 2 weeks. You must have a bad tear in there. I have/had torn meniscus in my left from when I had ACL relpaced from a down hill injury. They just snipped the lingering stuff up when they were in there. I tore some in my right knee this winter playing hockey but so far it has not been a problem. Get on the bike and and puff up the muscles around the knee every other day. Leg presses also helped me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 As a veteran of 4 shoulder repairs, two knee repairs and a distal biceps tendon repair, I highly recommend getting things fixed and doing the rehab the right way. The only major injury I didn't have fixed was a ruptured disk in my low back (after about 8 months I got the feeling and strength back in my right leg without surgery). Not all water ski injuries, but all took time away from sports to rehab well and then start back in at a measured pace. In the end I am probably stronger around all of the injured areas than ever because you learn what you need to do to strengthen the minor muscles around the joints and improve your flexibility. It also forces you to become a better skier to learn to put less load on yourself. I always say I hope this one is the last one, but I also keep telling my orthopedic surgeon that as long as he keeps fixing me, I keep skiing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 Shane, Take it from an X jumper, if you like torn meniscus, keep jumping, if you don't like torn meniscus, retire before it is too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskii3156 Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 This is somewhat off topic but I wanted some quick advice... A very good friend of mine just tore her ACL, MCL, and meniscus as well as fractured her tibia, fibia, and femur playing soccer. She is young (18) so hopefully the healing process will go fairly smoothly. I know skiers are familiar with ligament injuries, how long before she will be able to run again? She was planning on playing soccer in college in the fall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 Dawg, I didn't even do it jumping. Did it at the gym 3 years ago. I'm just getting around to getting it fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 Shane, good choice on Dr Fain. He did mine as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 Yeah, he did all three of Charles', too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted April 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2011 wtrski3156, Wow, she did it up right. You don't usually see that much damage unless it is from an MVA. Because of the complicated nature of what you are describing it is harder to guess when she will be able to "run". In a typical ACL/menisectomy rehab easy jogging will start at 3 months. This will progress to where running athletes will be allowed to play at 6 months if they have adequate strength and functional agility on it when compared to the uninjured leg. 6 months is generally considered about as early as you should return to sport, and then only done if everything has gone smoothly and the athlete looks good. I will not even guess in the situation you are describing as there are a lot of variables with the fracture types, meniscus repair vs. debridement, etc. I would assume it will be a good bit longer, but you know what happens when you assume. Good luck to her non the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Alot also depends on where you get the ACL from. Patiler or hamstring can cause additional rehab just for the area that it comes from. I replaced my acl with a cadiver and skied within 3.5 months. It all felt great at 3 months out but it was probably not a smart idea on my part. The ACL is at its weakest point 3-6 months out but it alll feels great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted April 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2011 My point Shane, with jumping at any level it is not about if you get injured, it is when (esp with knees). Just food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 9400 Posted April 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2011 There's an old saying about Jumpers...."there are those who have had surgery and those who will have surgery". I sure did love jumping, but the way I did it, it didn't love me back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted April 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2011 Oh I know, Dawg. It's only a matter of time. But damnit, I want to do it! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klinger Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 What do you mean jumping isn't safe?? When I started jumping in college everyone told me it was as safe as anything else on the water! :-) There is no better rush than jumping, and I will continue to do it until I can't. I feel if you have some sense it is reasonably safe, but yes I have broken multiple fins on the side curtain and went OTF once. Its all worth it when you have those "Big Ones!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted April 20, 2011 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2011 What do you mean jumping isn't safe?? When I started jumping in college everyone told me it was as safe as anything else on the water! :-) There is no better rush than jumping, and I will continue to do it until I can't. I feel if you have some sense it is reasonably safe, but yes I have broken multiple fins on the side curtain and went OTF once. Its all worth it when you have those "Big Ones!" Yes it is fun, but when you have had as many injuries as me, it is not safe, at 40 with 3 kids to support the fun does not out weigh the unemployment and recovery time. Only going OTF once is not that big o deal (multiple crashes add up). Again, just my opinion-for me-not worth it. For shane...It may be worth it. For you..it may be worth it. When I was single and in my 20's, I jumped 2 x's a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klinger Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I agree 100% skidawg. Everything has a risk to reward ratio. If I had three kids, a wife, a house, and etc... to pay for/be with, then it would change the way I look at it. For now I will continue to be young dumb and full of....., single and with no house payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrBrown Posted May 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted May 1, 2011 You guys are tough!!! It hurts just reading about it! OUCH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller behindpropellers Posted September 9, 2011 Author Baller Share Posted September 9, 2011 Thought I would resurrect this thread. I'm curious how everybody is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Marco Posted September 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2011 10 months post op as of today. I was cleared to ski a month ago (although I started just skiing some easy 28's before that). Supposed to slowly ramp it up over the next 3 months. Ran my first 35 last week after some coaching by Wim. Feels good to be back on the water, but our season is winding down. How are you coming along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted November 26, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 26, 2011 Had the knee surgery last friday. Walked out of the hospital and have never needed crutches. After meeting with the physical therapist on Monday, I was in the gym starting on Wednesday. They're letting me do anything with the exception of running, weighted squats, and weighted lunges for the next 4-6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 27, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 27, 2011 Dude, she's got a lot more than ligament injuries going on there...she's also got two fractures on one side of her knee joint and one fracture on the other. Without more detail difficult to predict, but this can be a very serious injury that ends an athletic career in running-based sports. Best predictions are from her orthopedic surgeon, not a bunch of skiers (even we medicine heads). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted November 27, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 27, 2011 @6balls, who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted November 27, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 27, 2011 @ ShaneH, Is it OK to pick up ladies who fall out of your boat? If not you're a monk for the next 4-6 weeks!!! : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 27, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 27, 2011 Hmm...sorry all, for some reason saw new posts, checked the thread and ended up on page 2 and didn't notice the dates and that the post was current on p. 3...not page 2. Was in response to a post from wtrski3156 that is quite old. Oops...disregard...except for the fact that whomever he referenced would indeed appear to have a big time injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members musclefixer Posted November 28, 2011 Members Share Posted November 28, 2011 labrum repair is more involved then cuff repair. Im a PT and see atleast 1/2 a dozen new shoulders a week. There is a specific protocol you need to follow, and your MD should be advising the PT when rehab starts as to when to initiate resisted ex, vs passive ex and stretching. Part of the bicep attaches onto the labrum, so be careful with pulling/lifitng for 3-4 mos. Let it heal and avoid abduction + External rotation combined movements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 29, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 29, 2011 Razor1 has had both sides done. Relatively simple procedure w/uneventful recovery and little to no restrictions long term. He will prob chime in 2 give u specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted November 30, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 30, 2011 OB, my knee was the exact same thing. The originally thought it was a torn meniscus. But when they got in there, they found Articular Cartilage lesions on the bone ends and behind the knee cap. Shaved them down and microfractured the bone in those spots. The one good thing is that if you choose to have the surgery, there's no repair being done to any muscle, tendon or ligament. Your recovery will be much faster. Essentially, it's the amount of time for the incisions to heal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted November 30, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 30, 2011 @ShaneH, Got the same than you, but just had a lesion in one side and not under the cartilage. Was not a fast recovery, though... What I was told by the surgeon (my brother...) is that not operating in my case was like leaving a broken tile in the floor or wall without smoothing the borders and filling with cement. Eventually, all tiles would break and come out... However, the cement (fibrocartillage from the micro fracture) is not as resistent as the rest and there are no guarantees of it lasting for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller behindpropellers Posted November 30, 2011 Author Baller Share Posted November 30, 2011 Just thought I would give an update: 1 Year after surgery now. I have full ROM and hvae not had any instability issues since my surgery. I skied all summer, starting in the beginning of July. Once I stopped skiing the muscle started to go away very fast so its now back at the gym. 100% glad I got it fixed. Now I wonder how long my right shoulder will hold out! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted December 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well it,s come down to surgery, after months with the Physio it,s time to bite the bullet, looks like Microfracture on the left knee, anybody know of any waterskiers that have had this done, the recovery time, and was it successful ? May end up having to ski on one leg, How do those guy,s do that ? must have muscle on muscles ! Any comments appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted December 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 1, 2011 Stevie, See above. Both myself and RAL had it done. Depending on where the damaged cartilage is, your doctor may have you on crutches for 4+ weeks. Mine allowed me to walk on mine, just no running, squats or lunges. I'm two weeks in and my range of motion is better an d the pain is less when walking up the stairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted December 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 1, 2011 @Stevie Boy, how large is the damaged cartilage area? Is it in a weight bearing area? 2 lessons I learned 1) More is less. Go to a sports PT, but DO NOT do more than what you are told. Your muscles will be weak and you will be forcing joints and tendons. 2) Watch the other leg. 6 months after the surgery, I got patellar tendinitis in the other knee (most likely for forcing it....) and that is truly a PITA. Very difficult to recover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted December 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 1, 2011 One thing I'm realizing is that I was favoring the hurt knee for a long time. The PT, who works for my surgeon and works very closely with him, asked me to tighten my quad and knee cap. I found that I couldn't. He's got me doing exercises so my body can relearn to fire the muscles that I had quit using. Just simple things while sitting at my desk every 15 minutes to tighten my quad and pull my knee cap tight. A week ago I had to think about it and concentrate to be able to hold it tightened for even 5 seconds. Now I can hold it for 30 seconds, and I don't have to think as much. One thing I'm noticing is that my gate while walking is becoming much more symmetrical as I'm learning to control those muscles around my knee again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted December 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 1, 2011 Thanks Guy,s not sure of the area, just yet, I,m ok going upstairs, it,s coming down or standing in a skiing position, it,s basically where the knee begins to take the load, I have done lots of gym work to streghern the quads and also stretch them to take away the tension on the patella, my physio was hoping that the conservative approach would do the trick, alas it,s not worked out, had the cartilage operated on twice before, the consensous is that its to thin in the area I have discomfort, I must go up and down about 1200 steps a day at work which doesn,t help. I see the Top Man on Monday to discuss a plan of action, just thinking that I am probably going to kiss goodbye to 2012 season. Shane I know they do not build muscle but I think that you might find an EMS machine useful for activating those muscle that have forgotten what they are there for, as always discuss with your physician first. Wish you guy,s a speedy recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted December 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 1, 2011 OB - distal clavicle excision. Great surgery. Creates space in the joint without affecting joint stability. I was skiing within 7 days both times. Since it doesn't affect stability, the doctor basically told me I could do whatever I could tolerate painwise. It hurt to ski that soon, but didn't affect the long-term recovery. Get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted December 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 1, 2011 Holy cow, you were skiing in 7 days? You've got a hell of a lot higher pain tolerance than me! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted December 7, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2011 Hi Guy,s, here,s some "GOOD" advice for any waterskier with a knee problem, "DO NOT" go and see any old orthopedic surgeon, I recently learnt that previous surgery was not of the best quality, as my "KNEE" Specialist and I mean only "KNEE" pointed out, anybody can cut material away thats easy, but there,s a requirement to understand the impact and stress created in other areas, not just within the knee but also on the hips, because of previous surgery and lack of understanding by the surgeon, I,m heading for a knee replacement, but he feels that when he gets in there, if the rest of the knee is reasonable, he can carry out a number of procedures in different areas, to rescue my knee and maybe give me 10 or 15 years of waterskiing, that will take me to about 72 yrs old, then it will be a knee replacement. Please Please let the rest of the knee be reasonable shape. Surgery is on the 9th December, 4 days after my first consultation, with him, which is pretty good going, fed up with the discomfort, I am very anxious, waterskiing is the one thing that gets me through, I dont want to just drive the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted December 7, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2011 Good luck, Stevie. Hopefully things turn out ok when he gets in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Marco Posted December 7, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2011 OB- Whats the extent of your surgery and the rehab time? If you are back in action after a month, it must be a fairly simple fix, not a labrum/rotator cuff/bicep tendon repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted December 7, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2011 OB, if it's anything like my knee(which was a similar issue) I found that I must have been favoring it for a long time. The muscles which provide stability to the joint were extremely weak, although I still had power and strength in that leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Marco Posted December 7, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2011 Glad to hear it is a relatively minor deal. Mine put me out of commisson for the better part of 9 months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted December 7, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2011 OB, this is like the classic joke adapted to skiing Patient: "Will I be able to ski again and run into deep 39 off after the surgery"? Doc: "Yes, you should be able to do it." Patient: "Good, because I have not run into deep 39 off ever before..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted December 7, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2011 ShaneH many thanks. Ral I like that, it's wicked ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted December 12, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 12, 2011 Well here we are then, my left kne was shot to bits but the surgeon decided to give it a go, gave me pictures of before ,during and after, truly amazing surgery, my bones were pitted and just shredding the back of my pattella, so he remove cartillage debris, polished the bones to make them smooth again, re-profiled my pattella, and proceeded with microfracture, the only thing he was unhappy with was that he found a tear in my meniscus (THIRD TIME), the only problem I am having at the moment is that starting to show possible, bruised or torn meniscus in the right knee, due to weight bearing on that leg only at the moment, have to wait and see, now on the road to recovery now hope that the microfracture takes, above 45yrs old success rate declines, thats what I read anyway, might be a load of rubbish. Must Stay Positive ! It,s gonna be Alright ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted December 29, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 29, 2011 The distal clavicle requires no healing at all. The biceps tendon is a different deal altogether! In either case, you'll be skiing in 5 months -- its all good. And yes, the nerve block is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MZito Posted December 30, 2011 Baller Share Posted December 30, 2011 I had my knee done twice both from hockey. Skiing did not bother it until I was done for the day. The recovery time was 3 weeks longer the 2nd time around. Make sure you take the rehab seriously, it will help you in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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