Baller quimbola Posted February 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2011 This is being touted as the best cross over made.Any slalom skiers taken a pass behind one yet? Â Looking for any feedback!Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2011 Yes, it's badass. As good a wake as a 196 and better than a Malibu RLXI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller quimbola Posted February 16, 2011 Author Baller Share Posted February 16, 2011 Thanks Shane. Any other comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2011 Only thing I don't like is that they lightened the transom a good bit and the platform flexes because of it. They have supposedly redesigned that on later boats than the one I have access to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCskiFreak Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 How does it compare to a 214V? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2011 The 200 Sport has a much smaller, softer wake than the 214V. My ski partner has both at his dealership, so I've skied and driven both. I am considering using the Sport 200 for our May tournament if it's not sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I am staying out of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted February 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2011 C'mon MS!Tell us how you feel about v-drive slalom boats!!! :) My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCskiFreak Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I was just curious, the 214V is the only one I have ever skied behind. Thats not really surprising given that it is the 200 hull, it is a shame that they ran the deck hull joint down like they did, if they hadn't that would also be the best looking V-drive around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Andre,I am getting close to being banned as it is. All I have to say is this. It probably is a great slalom boat but with the tower, you will never find out. If you want a slalom boat, get the 200. I just dont get the concept of a cross over boat that does not crossover unless you have a removable tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted February 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'll take Mark's words and go even further... I bet it's an awesome slalom boat, but I still have to ski it to believe it's on par with a 196. I honestly didn't walk away from the 200DD saying, "oh my God, I have to have one these". I actually felt relieved that I wasn't compelled to finance my future to buy one.I have experienced the 214V, which would make one awesome family boat, with a slalom skier in the mix. I have no doubt the 200V takes it to the next level, and I would love to own one - parked next to my 196:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCskiFreak Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I have wondered about the new nautique towers they look like they would even get in the way of a -28 pass...If they want to put a tower on their slalom boats they should do something similar to the mini tower that MC offers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 17, 2011 I have run through 32 off and the tower wasn't even close to being in the way. It's mounting position is deceptive. Also, there are a lot of differences in the hull between the 200V and 200DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 pic of boat and tower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Brent,Well said. I dont have need for a wake board boat so I would not even consider one. If I bought a 3 event boat it would be a 200 (money no object). If I bought a wake board boat it would be a Super Air. I am sure that there is a market for the Sport 200 out there but the tower location makes no sense to me. I think Shane was was drinking Bud Light limes and thinking about lesbian bike riders when he ran 32 behind the sport with the tower. 32 may work but 38 and 39 would be a mind bender just thinking about the tower. Keep in mind that I am a CC Kool Aid drinker.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I've heard Andy ran 41 behind this boat and the rope did not hit the tower. I agree, looking at it you think there is no way. Anyone have a shot of the rope fully extended on a 38, 39, 41 pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted February 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 17, 2011 Where does the pylon go in that thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 17, 2011 All I know is that the 200Sport I skied behind had every bit as good a wake, OR BETTER, than the 196 I bought from you, MS. Is it as good as our 200? Nope. But it's a heck of a lot better than that tugboat RLXI that malibu calls a tournament ski boat. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Chef23, There is a video on the CC site, the pylon screws in and out of the floor. They really don't show the wake unless it's a wake board shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 17, 2011 There is a port in the floor for the pylon. You push it in and turn 90 degrees and it locks in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted February 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 17, 2011 Shane - drag it up for my record in June. There will be ample opportunity to determine if the tower interferes at 39 and 41. That is, if you can convince anyone to ski behind it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Shane,No beef on the wake, just the lame tower. I wont complain about the wake until I ski behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slow Posted February 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 17, 2011 If Nautique really wants to sell the boat they should post a video with Andy skiing behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 17, 2011 That is exactly what I told their VP of sales when he was in Houston in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller quimbola Posted February 26, 2011 Author Baller Share Posted February 26, 2011 The rope looks VERY close to the tower in this pic. http://nautique.com/models/photos-200#12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 26, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 26, 2011 Nice find. Appears skier is well at the high point of his arc, and is at 35 off. Wonder how much higher a skier needs to be at 38 and 39. In reality, unless I start running 38 more consistently and actually get to where I have a legit shot at running 39, it probably doesn't matter as long as no contact at 38. Could be an amazing compromise boat for those skiing buoys on public water.  v-drive interior layout w/DD wake for buoy heads, space for cruising, tower for boarders and pulling tubes. Would be the first v-drive that isn't a slalom wake compromise, but there is that problem I have regarding cash on hand...    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 26, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 26, 2011 Just went to the CC website. Use this link and watch the little video upper right all the way thru. There is a pylon view of the rope while the slalom skier is skiing. There is far more room between rope and tower than it appears in the prior posted picture...too much paralax in that pic (whoa, had to go back to HS physics for that word).http://www.nautique.com/models/sport-nautique-200/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted February 26, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 26, 2011 It would be nice to see someone skiing a course. I wonder if you could order it with a different tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted February 26, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 26, 2011 Looks like one of the Wilson Bros. is skiing in the CC promo video. Perhaps they could comment since they are regulars here? There was a 200 at Midwest Regionals last year that had a tower, I'm not sure if it pulled any slalom (short-line or otherwise) or not. I'm pretty sure this is the only tower that you can order with it (like the 200 DD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 6balls has the right take. Those of you looking to run 38, 39, or even 41 wouldn't even be looking at a "Crossover" I also think if CC thought they could sell you this boat there would be no need for the 200 CB. There is a market for a crossover or they would not be building them. So this argument is as almost as stupid as the snow/water skiing debate that went on forever. Now for me I am very interested in a crossover boat. I love to ski but will never ski at 41 off or even 39 for that matter, but with a young family that likes to surf and wakeboard its a great idea. I will agree that the tower is Butt Ugly other than that I like the boat. I crawled all over it at the boat show. My 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 This is the same conversation that was had at themalibucrew.com when the FXi came out. I agree with Kona, these boats are great for the families that want/need all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted February 27, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 27, 2011 If I thought the boat had a comparable slalom wake to my 2002 LX and the tower didn't interfere at 38 off I would consider one. I am not a 38 off skier today but do get into 35 off so I can see 38 as potential. My little guy loves to wakeboard in addition to 3 eventing so to me this could be a perfect option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted February 27, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 27, 2011 How does the V-Drive handle in this boat compared to a DD? I test drove a Malibu VTX and was told the wakes were "just like DD ski boat," and they actually looked pretty good, but it just felt piggy the way it handled compared to a DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 27, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 27, 2011 Boat feels really close to a 200DD in my opinion, from the driver's seat. Maybe a touch less responsive. But easily better feel behind the wheel than the 2010 LXI one of my ski partners has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 27, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 27, 2011 Asking $76K for one of these in Ramsey, MN with the 343. Yikes...Sport 200 sounds like a great boat, but not in my future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted February 28, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted February 28, 2011 Interesting discussion, compare this to discussions probably about a decade or slightly less ago about open bow v. closed bow ski boats and to where the "standard" or what is accepted is now. Are we on a path to the transition of the DD boat to a V drive (personally, I hope not)? Certainly, the fact that CC has come out with a boat that skis remarkably well is what triggered the conversation. If Porsche can make a rear engined car handle great, perhaps someone will make a rear engined boat produce fabulous wakes, time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted February 28, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hey 6, Have you had Marine Max sharpen the pencil on that boat? I bet you get at least $20k knocked off that $76. That's one issue I have with these boats... some of us are lucky enough to have dealers who sell at legit prices, and others seem to be getting spanked. My dealer was $44,995+tax on an ordered out 2011 200CB std, with single axle Phoenix trailer. Add a grand on to that now, with the Cat being mandatory, but still. Of course, with the dealer territory requirements, you may be stuck dealing with MMX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 28, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 28, 2011 Last year the prior Nautique dealer in the area wanted $55K for the SN 200 OB. That boat still in their inventory. Like high end cars, I think best to wait a year or two and pick one up hardly used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 28, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 28, 2011 My dealer has a loaded out Team Sport with nice single axle trailer and he would sell it for $62k. $76k is high msrp.  $45k on a 200OB DD is only giving that dealer about $2k in profit. BUT, it's an ordered boat that he doesn't have to floorplan so that gives him some room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted February 28, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 28, 2011 I don't see how a guy could stay in business long making only $2k on a fairly limited production boat, floor plan or not. From what I understand, most boat dealers need to average about a 20% mark on their boats just to keep the lights on, and need to make more than that of they want to turn a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted February 28, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 28, 2011 If dealer cost on a 200 std is in the low $40's, they must've had some serious cost increase in the past few years. Don't misunderstand, I'm not disagreeing with you, that just seems really high (with knowing what dealer cost was on an '06 196). It's certainly more than a 4% per year increase, but I'm assuming the 200 had decent bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 28, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 28, 2011 The 2010 200 had a BIG bump in dealer cost over the 09 196. Like a 12% jump at once. Then factor in the Cat mandated engine, which is an additional $2500 retail in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 1, 2011 Dang, that's a big hike, but new hulls don't come cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller quimbola Posted March 1, 2011 Author Baller Share Posted March 1, 2011 So what is dealer cost on the Sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thor_64 Posted March 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 2, 2011 I am a guy with a young family and don't have access to a lake with a course at this point. So I know what a day on public water means....   The last time I was in the course the season before last I got through 32' numerous times and into 35' once. I also wake board & 'foot a little.  So I really thought this was going to be the boat that I would come home from the boat show convincing myself I didn't need to have (read = don't have that kind of money for a boat right now) as my next boat and get to a place where I can get back to the course and that just wasn't the case. I am sure this boat has a great wake, but it come up short big time on storage for a day on the lake. My current DD has just as much. Sure the V-drive layout is nice, but by the time wife, kids and a couple of friends are on this thing all we would have is a big pile of stuff to trip over were the motor use to be........at least I can lean/sit on the motor box when we are lounging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 3, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2011 I haven't seen one in person yet, but I wondered what kind of interior space it would have. I've spent some time in a 200DD, and it seemed that moving the motor to the back would still make for some tight space for wrap around seating. I suppose that's the nature of the beast when you only have 20' to work with. Maybe they'll come out with a 21 footer that skis better than a 196 too ;-)  Sorry for the sarcasm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 3, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2011 Even with a vdrive arrangement, this is a small boat. It's not really designed to be a 6 person all day on the lake boat, in my opinion. I could see it having it's place on a river with 3-4 people and being able to wake, surf, and ski behind. You put 6 people in it and you're gonna be tripping over each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 3, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 3, 2011 No motor box in the middle makes a more social environment for relaxing on the lake. My non-buoy boat on our public lake is still a '91 Ski Centurion Falcon Barefoot CB. With the outboard, there is no motor box in the middle and wrap around seating. Nice for a putt around the lake w/a bottle of wine w/friends, catching the fireworks w/some other couples, or my kids and their friends trading tube rides.   If you put a bunch of skiers/boarders with equipment in there, though, you are right it's congested in a hurry. Lots of bow storage, but there's the matter of getting it in/out with people in the way. Unloaded it makes great barefoot boat and recreational ski boat w/small wake at all lines/speeds. The downside is that there IS a course on our public lake, too, and I would use it at times if I had an inboard there. Due to family needs a closed bow or open bow DD doesn't "chill" as well w/guests.I see some real appeal in wrap around seating, a tower to put the rope up high for all but buoy skiing, and the preservation of a great slalom wake for cracks at the balls. Prior to this boat and it's slalom wake, you couldn't have paid me to own a v-drive. At least w/the tower racks can get the boards/skis out of the cockpit. Now, for that problem relating to cash.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller quimbola Posted March 11, 2011 Author Baller Share Posted March 11, 2011 Got a quote from my dealer. The sport 200 team edition 343 h.p. with a bimini, heater and single axle customer trailer and no other options, 65k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 11, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 11, 2011 My dealer would sell that same boat for $62k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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