Administrators Horton Posted March 19, 2011 Administrators Share Posted March 19, 2011 http://www.ballofspray.com/images/stories/Dave%20miller%20Goode%20Twist.jpgDuring the last six or eight weeks, I have heard a rash of hushed rumors about the next generation of skis from Goode. Some of the rumors sound quite plausible while others suggest Dave is going to build skis from Unobtainium. Last week I called Dave, and said, "As a website owner I love to break news. Some of what I've heard sounds exciting and some of it sounds downright ridiculous. When you're ready you tell the world what you're doing, will you let BallOfSpray break the story?" Dave replied that he and Dave Miller were heading to Imperial Lakes in Southern California to do research and development. As soon as they were ready to let the cat out of bag, he would let me know. Below is Dave's email to me: John, As promised, here is a first look at the New Goode NANO "Twist". It is built with Nano Carbon Fiber/Resin and in addition to Goode's proprietary asymmetric construction the NANO "Twist" features different rockers on each side of the ski. "The ski is just awesome!” said 55k World Record Holder and 2010 Big Dawg Champion Dave Miller. “The new carbon material really accelerates faster and the innovative Bi-Rocker Twist Technology allows the ski to turn better on both sides,” Miller continues. “The ski comes under me after each turn better than any ski I have ever been on before. It is as easy to ski at 39-1/2’ as it is at 32’. I even had a look at 4 ball at 41’ off and for this early in the season, that was just amazing,” Miller concludes.More information later…….. Dave Goode Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Probably all versions. Sounds interesting and I really like the new graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Man Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Carbon Nano tubes. I watched a couple of interesting shows on Nova recently. One show was Making Stuff Stronger, where they showed growing carbon nano tubes. The other was Making Stuff Smaller, where they showed growing silicone nano tubes for more memory on micro chips. Here are the links to both. They are good shows. http://video.pbs.org/video/1701025927/ http://video.pbs.org/video/1754649512/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted March 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2011 Grab your socks. The price of new skis just went up. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Craig Posted March 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2011 Not to be a negative Nancy but... I work with a lot of people who specialize in different aspects of nanotechnology. Nano seems to be the latest buzzword of choice. If you put a 'nano' somewhere in the title of your proposal someone, and probably lots of someones, will at least listen. Nanotubes, nanowires, nanomachines, etc.,...a lot of marketing.  I am no composites expert but I have no idea what 'Nano carbon fiber/resin' is. My gut tells me it is the same old carbon fiber/resin as before. The assymetric rockers sound like an interesting idea, and I do like the look of that ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lkb Posted March 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2011 agree with h2oski1326..."nano" sounds like marketing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted March 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2011 Goode makes Nano, then the touch, then the shuffle, then the Goode Pad????? Maybe Dave Goode and Steve Jobs are in this together "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Man Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 It’s been a while since I watched the program about carbon nano tubes, but it seems like the great thing about it was its size to strength ratio, (like spider silk). So, applications like bullet proof clothing make for good applications, but it seemed like the price to produce was very high. Maybe the “Twist†is that they only changed the ski a nano amount. But with the winning record Goode has, why change more. I also like the graphics shown in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller greghayes Posted March 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2011 The merits of the new technology are TBD - the proof is in the skiing and until the rest of us can try it, it's just fun to speculate. It won't affect my scores this season. :)  In the meantime, great exclusive Horton! You are "winning."  Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 19, 2011 Author Administrators Share Posted March 19, 2011 To be fair, nobody's mad at Apple for calling the small iPod a Nano. I have no idea exactly what Dave means by nano. If the naming convention is all marketing fluff or not - the rumor mill tells me that Goode has been doing some materials research. Nano tubes or not innovation is fantastic for sport. Update: When I posted above, I had no idea that Nano Tubes were out of the lab and in the real world. From what I have read since it is the next wave. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2011 So what was TGas riding at Moomba? New graphics or new ski? Its about time there was some color change from the black and orange. Goode snow skis come in a ton of graphic choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischersYearRound Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I'm curious about this new ski as well. So, I guess there will be R, L, and Neutral? Slim or no chance on inserts? It seems to me that adding re-enforcement in the ski + inserts would weight less than the required velcros and plate to mount most bindings. You can drill and mount snow ski bindings on his snow skis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller auskier Posted March 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2011 and its almost impossible to break a goode ski pole. just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Scott Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Well here is a bit of additional news from Goode Skis.. For all of you asking for inserts from Goode he will be offering inserts in two of the new ski models. There is a new ski coming out that will be called the 9960 (it is equivalent to the 9900 with new graphics)Â this ski will have new graphics and will be offered with inserts or the ability to screw into the ski. There is also a new price point ski, called the "FIRE", this ski is not an assymetrical ski and will be offered at around $1000.00. Dave is doing away with the 2 week demo program and offering a 30 day money back guarantee. In addition, and as a result of customer feedback, Goode Skis will have a lifetime warranty on the ski. So let the discussion begin!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dirt Posted March 20, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 20, 2011 Chad, that sounds great. I can't wait to try one. The inserts will make it much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skihack Posted March 20, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 20, 2011 When will the 9960 be available for purchase?Question for Goode experts. What is the difference between the 9900, 9800, and the Makai? I am interested specifically in the Makai but not if the only differences are only cosmetic. Do the newer Goodes turn better than the 9500? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skihack Posted March 20, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 20, 2011 sorry to highjack the thread, should have asked these questions under a separate thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted March 20, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 20, 2011 Yes, the 9800 and 9900 will out turn the 9500. Having owned all these models I will testify that the 9900 Mid and Wide Ride will "GREATLY" out turn the 9500.....ED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Will there be a new Mid or Wide Ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischersYearRound Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 inserts AND life time warranty! I am definitely interested. Though I had never had any issue with warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Scott Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 The new mid ride is the nano twist as shown in the photo with Dave Miller. New carbon and a new design which includes a twist and offers two different rockers for on and off side turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kstateskier Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Inserts AND a lifetime warranty??? I'm asleep... aren't I? That's whats going on here isn't it? Its Monday morning I'm still asleep, dreaming about skiing apparently. How late am I for work? I've got a 10am meeting so I hope I wake up soon! http://www.ballofspray.com/vanillaforum/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Steven Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 Now that they are offering inserts, my guess is that he will have a tough time Keeping up with the orders. I have wanted to try one of the new skis but always shyed away because of the dual lock. I'm glad that Goode is finally offering this option! Lifetime warranty? That's awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 The Goode 9800 might have been the second "game changer" ski he has ever produced; next to the 9100. The front end of it was more of a parabola shape vs the traditional straight line skis. It was the first ski I could actually turn, move across the buoy and felt like my skiing came alive on.Changed my skiing for the better forever. Love my 9900 at 36mph and probably will ride a mid-ride once I go 34mph. 9900 is one notch up on the torsional flex which makes it even better than the 9800. Night and day improvement over a 9300/9500/9600 and 9700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Steven Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 I tried a 9800 for a few rides and actually thought I could get used to it but the ski I tried had so many holes in it that I feared for my life every time I rode it! I tried the dual lock Power Shell system a number of years back but kept breaking shells. Im sure that the shells are stronger now though! I've been interested in trying a 9900 or 9900 mid. I guess I have no excuse now! Other than I have a new Strada sitting in the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 Have always stayed away d/t lack of inserts as well...thought it was crap to think about screwing into a ski that was so expensive. If I hadn't just bought the Razor, would strongly consider a new GOODE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 Well, what do ya know? I look forward to skiing with Dave a few days when he comes down for my tournament. With the folks that are coming, there will probably be grey goode's everywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 Looks like dave is getting serious, price point skis, warranty, very nice, good business decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Man Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 All the new stuff sounds good. I wonder if there will be a big price jump. Hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Steven Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 I thought everyone was already running 39.5?! 41 should be a cake walk now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 The last ski I had with different rocker on each side was a Duval 1050S. I didn't start out that way and when it happened it must have been for a right foot forward skier. I hope the Goode works out better!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 I recall quite a bit of chat on this board from folks who had purchased the extra warranty on previous G skis who got totally hosed despite having spent the extra bucks for the "lifetime" warranty. Everyone forgotten that?  If these claims hold true and they actually do stand behind their stuff like the other manufacturers they'll sell a bunch, assuming the price isn't totally insane. Time will tell. I'm not being negative; just trying to refresh the collective memory. Someone has to play devil's advocate...Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller3536 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I like the idea of having inserts, The warranty thing sounds to good to be true and I am still trying to get my head around the double rocker idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kstateskier Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 "You want inserts!? YOU GOT INSERTS!!!!!!! (Add to cart: ONLY $4900.00 lifetime warranty is FREE!) http://www.ballofspray.com/vanillaforum/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 I think the double rocker idea makes a lot of sense, we all for sure (and especially me...) have a different 1-3-5 than 2-4-6. As usual, there are plenty of good ideas but not that many good implementations of these. Execution is key, as state several authors.On inserts and warranty, I guess that is better late than never, as they say. I think that the combination of a good product and a company that listens to the market is the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller EF Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 kstateskier, HILARIOUS!!!! http://www.ballofspray.com/vanillaforum/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gifI do love my 9900 with dual lock! one year, no problems. Also, bottom line is I get more balls on this ski..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted March 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2011 ScokeHow are you comparing torsional flex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kstateskier Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 you guys kill me! Lets velcro ourselves to a carbon fiber stick moving at 60mph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Ah crap, now I want to try this ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 ETA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Man Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Well that was fun to watch. Thanks for posting it KM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 No insert option on the top model Nano Twist, but inserts are available on the lower priced models. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 23, 2011 Well that kinda defeats the purpose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 23, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jörgen Jansson Posted March 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 23, 2011 When can they start delivering Nano or 9960 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kstateskier Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Whats the anticipated price for this new Goode Nano with hopped up graphics and inserts? Remember Dave i only have two kidneys and I need at least one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 23, 2011 Author Administrators Share Posted March 23, 2011 I sat in on a conf call last night. Here are the rough details. All 3 shapes as we know now them. “Fire” version less than $1k – inserts, maybe a little heavier – theoretically a downgrade but not really. Construction more like HO-D3-Radar-Connelly. I think this ski could be a deal changer. 9960 Mostly same as 9900 but add inserts same $ as current ski Nano no inserts – new materials and asymmetrical rocker $500 more than 9900 All skis come with 5 yr warrantee (wording and details pending) Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I spoke with a technician at Goode today. The explanation they gave me for no inserts in the Nano is it has a different core than the 9960 and Fire which is not as waterproof. I forgot to ask if water could potentially reach the core through the fin slot though. Goode quoted me a price of $1940 for the Nano "Twist" Mid. That must not include shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted March 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted March 23, 2011 I will try a Nano as soon as they ship it with inserts. Now, wait a minute. I have a question for Scot Chipman (just because he is better connected with the factory). If the only change between the 9900 and the 9960 is better resin (besides the graphics) and no changes in the core, what is the reason of the huge warning about putting screws/inserts in the 9900? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 And why does Goode screw the fin clamp into the ski if water is not allowed to touch the core? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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