walleye Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Wow did I get a lot of positive feed back from both parties. I was assured my concerns would be checked into for nationals. Sorry for being a little over the top and sounding like a complainer, safety is always my primary concern.....especially when kids are involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 1, 2011 Administrators Share Posted August 1, 2011 what are you talking about? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walleye Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 John, A club skier as my self had a concern and contacted Master Craft & the Awsa. They responded to me promptly and assured me what I saw would be looked into and consider changes in the future. Both parties said "I was not the only one noticing problems". They were very open minded to my concerns and willing to consider changes. I wanted to rectify any over the top statements I made that could hurt either party or any promo boat owner trying to sell there boat. That is all, the power of the internet really gives the little guy a voice. I wanted to make sure I did not speak to loud and offend anyone. I achieved my goal, it is being looked into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted August 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2011 When I was a kid we couldn't afford an inboard so i had a big old heavy I/O....I'm still here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted August 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2011 When my girls were in G1/G2, they would have loved to have the wake of a modern day MC. I drove the MC a good bit at our Regionals. G2 skied well. In fact, most PB'd and the regional record was tied (1@38off). My neighbor (W4) starts at 28mph and skied within 1 buoy of her PB. My daughter starts at 22-off and skied 1.5 @ 35off. We all ski behind a SN200 as our club boat. As a driver, I never heard any complaints other than there was more of a bump than a Nautique. Otherwise, they just skied and skied well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 2, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted August 2, 2011 !965 RickShaw . Our first boat. Big Block Chevy and all learned how to ski behind this very boat in 66 and still own it today. Stephen our son used to train behind a 82 Americain skier during his boy's 1 years./vanilla2/uploads/FileUpload/15/995.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 This is absolutely pathetic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 2, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted August 2, 2011 Love the tow bar attached to the motor block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 What are you talking about Wish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jwr Posted August 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2011 Not sure what to say without coming off sounding like a total jerk, but the wakes are not a problem. The wakes are far better then anything we had in the 70's and 80's and there were not a larger percentage of kids getting hurt. If you want to complain about MC sending their '11 boats out without the right program, and then not informing everyone they needed to reflash thier program to make it right I can get behind that. Most people don't know there is a new flash for the MC's that gives a stronger pull for jumping and a softer pull for slalom. That is why some MC feel better then others this year. A lot of people are unaware the power setting for jump on the '11 MC should be 7/5 and are still running it at 4/0 like last year, and everyone is complaining about a soft pull for jump. They are just not getting the information out. Even some senior drivers don't know. Sorry rant off, I'm going on a self imposed ban now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 2, 2011 Administrators Share Posted August 2, 2011 @JWR Hey man as long as you post what you think are the facts, as above, that is good stuff. You can see that the guys thought you were talking about wakes. Since you are complaining about ZO you have my attention. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 2, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted August 2, 2011 Mine too, because powerfactor of 5 or 7 on the boat I had at regionals would have never worked! we ran PF-1 and return RTB just to get the times in on the back side. The whole program was wacked from start. I even had Chris Eller tell me they coud not find a solution with their ZO programs in The MC's. Sully Whats wrong with my old boat? You seem kind harsh about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxroads Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I think Sully was commenting on the first post in thread, not your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klinger Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 The big problem with the '11 MC WTT boats with the new ZO update is with jump. When the boat hits the second segment, it puts it to the wood. This is fine for people that are jumping with a normal setup over 120 ft. Where you get the big problem is someone that is doing some baby 3/4's with a fast second jumping 80-90 feet and not really pulling very hard. I know the arguement is they shouldn't be on fast second, but if that is what they ask for, that is what they get. With the old version of ZO, you still got good times, and the boat didn't do anything crazy. This issue must be addressed before Nationals. WHERE ARE YOU MASTERCRAFT AND ZO???? FIX THIS!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 2, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted August 2, 2011 @jody seal. Love the photo of the boat. That's a beast (said in the most positive way) @sully, I was commenting on Jodys boat photo and the tow bar that seams to be bolted to the engine block. Not seen that before (if that's the way it is set up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I am commenting on the original post. I'm getting tired of hearing people bashing the current boats, specifically the MC. I wish I could have grown up skiing behind the 197, LXi or 196 or 200! Wish, it dawned on me what you were talking about as I was driving down the road this morning after I posted my question. Thats pretty trick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 If the original post was directed at ZO and Jump then I appoligize. The OP was left open ended and with the other thread I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jwr Posted August 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2011 @jody Seal the 7 5 power factor is with the upgraded software. With the original software from the factory, it doesn't sound like anything will work. For the long jumpers it doesn't give enough gas, and for the shorter jumpers it hammers them. I have no complaints about the slalom pull it felt normal. Going to get a chance to jump and slalom behind an '11 with updated software this weekend. Will be interesting to see if it is noticeably different in jump and slalom. @Horton I wasn't the original poster, and I'm not sure if he was talking about the wakes or the program. I might be wrong about the wakes, but I have skied behind four differnt '11 MC and all felt the same, and never noticed the wakes at all, but when I was in jr. boys I used to practice behind a 24' Sea Ray cuddy cabin. First ski boat was a 75 Ski Nautique, and the wakes on that might have been bigger then the Sea Ray. Again, not to sound like a jerk, but if people are getting hurt behind today's boats they need to put on a helmet, get out of the course, and learn proper technique before they start chasing bouys. The jumping software on the other hand could get someone hurt. Not near as many jumpers out there these days, and even fewer real jump drivers. They don't know it's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 2, 2011 Administrators Share Posted August 2, 2011 @jwr As I said in the other thread. What is written here will be seen by the industry. Until users are posting slander against a factory I am open to free speech. I tend to think that MC makes a first rate product. I am un-aware of the wakes issue but if there is an issue it should be aired. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jipster43 Posted August 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2011 I can't help but notice the most glaring difference with the 2011 MC TT is the lack of metalflake. Bring back the metalflake and problem solved. JP :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCskiFreak Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 @jipster43, you will be a happy camper the 2012 tt boats are metal flake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted August 2, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted August 2, 2011 metal flake is one option, standard red is the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted August 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2011 One point that has not been mentioned is the towers on the MC promos. I have skied behind MC with and without the tower. That tower makes the wake bigger and harder for both slalom and jump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted August 2, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted August 2, 2011 I order my promo MC without tower, training system, ballast, and stereo. The next owner can easily add all those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2011 Disland, the interesting thing about the boats I'm talking about is the stripper, with only a bimini, has a far harder wake than the two boats with good wakes which both have towers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 3, 2011 Administrators Share Posted August 3, 2011 Towers add weight. More weight equal bigger wakes. @ShaneH Stripper? What? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 3, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted August 3, 2011 Horton!! They are called roll bars!! Comon!! :) Roll Bars make bigger wakes. And because the CG is now higher they dont drive worth a darn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller unksskis Posted August 3, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2011 What is AWSA going to do? What can they really do at all in regards to remedying this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klinger Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Nothing because there isn't a problem with the wakes. The only problem is with Zero Off's new software for Mastercraft with the jump program. I have heard rumors it will be fixed by nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted August 4, 2011 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2011 natioanls should have 6 liters which dont seem to have the jump problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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