Baller cragginshred Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 How many out there are pulling out with your ski at the 55s forgoing the glide and doing more of a turn buoy gate shot to get angle and speed into 1 ball? Timing issues, pros and cons with this? I have struggled with angle on 1 ball and getting into a hard lean from the glide stance and was going to try this Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted May 9, 2013 Administrators Share Posted May 9, 2013 Me Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 Mike Syderhoud showed me the one handed gate in1992, much easier than trying to time a Glide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 0 out of 6 for my ski group. I tried it and went back to conventional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 I am LFF and use it but may try the glide and some hybrids versions just to see what works better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doonez Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 What about a jump cut style pullout?! pull out to the right then go left, simulate a turn and then your heading through the gates and on the way to one ball. Hmm I Havnt tried it yet but one day I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 My son does it at Wade Cox's suggestion. Wade said that it helps leftys get better angle. I am also a lefty and use a traditional gate. I always have and didn't want to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 Did for a season or two, back to two handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 @cragginshred My thought is that a skier at your level, trying to improve, needs consistency and repeatability. The people who do a really nice one handed, late pullout gate took a long, long time to get to that consistency. There is no way for you to get that consistency at this stage in the game. So I would stay with a conventional gate. Time your pullout so you make your move out when the bow is still half a boat away from 55s, pullout long and slow, get 2 boat widths wider than the 2/4/6 buoy line, and start to roll in half a boat length before the boat bow gets to the gates. You can repeat that gate every single time. Don't worry about your position in relation to the gates. Once you get your move out and move in down, then you can go back and adjust. If you find you're missing the gate early 2 ft to the right, then move the point where you roll out 2 ft closer to the 55s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 I agree with @ShaneH. Try also to get balanced in your ski when gliding, not falling into the inside edge before initiating the turn. Also, "getting into a hard lean from the glide stance" is not what you want to focus on or try to achieve. You want to have your ski turning and getting angle, thus enabling a powerful and stacked position behind the boat. Loading hard at the turn in will usually result in giving back at the wake. DO NOT try to look like Nate... Finally. as a general principle (I, at least, am not an exception...), when over 35, your ability to effectively fix/change things in the course is restricted to an average of less than 1 at a time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 (snip) when over 35, your ability to effectively fix/change things in the course is restricted to an average of less than 1 at a time... I think I'm effectively working FAR less than 1 thing at a time right now. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 I agree with Shane. My LFF ski bud wasted weeks on the one hand gate, and up here, that is too much of our summer to waste. He struggled to run 35 with one hand and the first set going back to a two hand gate, after some coaching, got deep into 38. Never has gone back to one hand. The key is how good you are at generating angle. I think the two handed gives you more control and ability to get into correct position. It has been proven that you can start a few feet outside the wake and run 32 off, so starts really become critical in my mind, at very short rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 I do think about having my son switch back. He is on a bit of a hybrid where he glides a little not a true 0 ball gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller baja Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 Three of us at my lake have been getting regular coaching from another lake member. We are all at different stages but his advise on gates has produced results for all of us. The focus is on how you initiate a consistant balanced turn-in, not where. Start with your regular pullout, get wide of 2/4/6, now focus on being balanced over your front foot in the glide, this is key. Then to initiate the turn-in all you do is "think about touching" the inside edge of the front foot. (I think about grabbing the footbed with my toes... Your mental image my vary). This smooth initiation keeps you balanced and the front of the ski engaged. Adjust your turn-in point to suit the smooth angle you are now getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
block Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Wasted 2 years on the 1 handed gate. When I got it right it was great but I was very inconsistent . I went back to a two handed gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 @block - I'm going to a two handed gate this year. Have used one handed ever since I started the course, but I think I just too much separation between my arms and hips during the turn in. Time to change it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller AKShortline Posted May 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2013 Was one handed for several years, Chet Raley talked me out of it winter before last. His statement to me was that it is good for some and not for others, I am an "other". I went back to glide and go, feels like it is much more consistant and repeatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted May 10, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted May 10, 2013 Wasting time is not part of the plan. I will let you all know following Friday's am Session! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiJay Posted May 10, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2013 I spent a season on the 55m pullout but am back to a two handed glide for consistency ... and water skiing in general is the best waste of time I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted May 10, 2013 Administrators Share Posted May 10, 2013 I took a set with Wim today. He backed up my gate a lot. Pulling out when the pylon is at 55s and minimal upper body movement at full width. ... more later. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted May 10, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted May 10, 2013 @Horton I thought you just figured out your gate last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted May 11, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted May 11, 2013 Skiing today I had a great 1st pass pulling out at the 55's but going back and forth I agree that at my 'level' of skiing I need the most consistency which would be going back to the glide via pull out when the transom passes through the 55's. The other way works too! Just less consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Murrski Posted May 11, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 11, 2013 @baja - I take it that you are LFF right? There are always good concepts as the one you provided but perception can be confused if some details aren't provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted May 11, 2013 Administrators Share Posted May 11, 2013 @MS yes but the winter happened and I forgot everything Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted May 11, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted May 11, 2013 @Horton I am not going to take your advise any more. The minute I try to adapt to your coaching, you change your own style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted May 11, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 11, 2013 Hmmm, what division are you skiing in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogboy Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 @baja, and others..really good info. I have been working on my slow, wide pull out, glide with slight left edge, and I just incorporated your touching the right edge on the "in". Also, it has helped my entrance gates success, to look at when the boat enters the gates. Thanks to Gordon, and the gang who helped me get my first 28mph, 15 off full passes this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller baja Posted May 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 13, 2013 Sweeeeet @bogboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted May 13, 2013 Administrators Share Posted May 13, 2013 @MS When you get to the red balls go right. Get around the next 6 red balls and then go through between the last two. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted May 13, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted May 13, 2013 Perfect. I will try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted May 16, 2013 Baller Share Posted May 16, 2013 @MS i hope you are out of that drysuit and skiing your $#@ off cause you have a Tournament in two weeks! And i need you to help with my gate again. going from ZO to PP every 5th set has me all confused!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted May 16, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted May 16, 2013 @teammalibu I am skiing with my Aqua Sphere suit now and will go with the bald spray leg tonight for the first time. I switched to a 2 handed gate so I may need you to tell me whats going on. I only have about 10 sets in but 35 is going down pretty easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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