Baller thompjs Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 I think it starts at the pass after the one you can't quite run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2013 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2013 @alex38 Is it elitist that I can not call myself an open skier, pro skier, or men's masters skier? I am none of these. Am not I a champion skier. I know I should be politically correct and say everyone is shortline skier. In the end we all struggle at our own level. Whatever... Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller EricW Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 All you "shortline" skiers send me that 15' of rope you no longer need, one day and 352 ropes later I will have enough rope to ski a mile behind the boat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 30, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted July 30, 2013 @EricW, I would send it to you, but I order the rope without it. Not that I am an awesome skier, but it is actually cheaper to order the rope starting at 15 off. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller brody Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 shortline starts when you shorten the rope, 22 off. I have a practice PB of 2 @ 38, and tournament of 1 @35, but I would never want to take anything away from someone who accomplishes running 15 off at their max speed. I remember my first time I ran into 22 off and I was more excited than when I ran 35 for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 I don't find it elitist for someone to say shortline is 38 off. Or 39 1/2 off. Or even 41 off. Why do we need labels? Again, not everyone gets the trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 Someone just need to write into Webster's or whatever and petition for an official entry into the grand book of definitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 30, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted July 30, 2013 Maybe we are making this too difficult by trying to combine abilities into a group for purposes of less classification. Don't use the term "shortline" at all. Just say the actual length. "He's a 38 off skier" "I'm a 32 off skier" Or "He's a purple skier" "I'm a green skier" Or "He's an 11.25 meter skier" "I'm a 13 meter skier" etc. That provides classification just like "shortline" or "not shortline" does. Get rid of the generic term and use the multiple classifications already afforded to us by the standard rope progression. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 @MISkier that is pretty much what I do. I don't ever call s'one a short-line skier(though I have opinions on what that may mean...somewhat impractical). I may say "hey, watch this dude...he runs 39" or I may also say "Check this out...this guy needs 5 @ 15 off for a PB and he's coming in now on that pass" I want everyone to PB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 Hopefully no one tries to put a label on me. On any given round I could be anywhere from a long liner to a 38 offer. But I make a good ball of spray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 In the end - it is all about having fun. The other week I was running some 15's and upping the speed and thinking man, all this time I have before the ball, THIS IS awesome! Next day out I jump to 22 off and say the same thing. I'm still going to have fun regardless of the line length I'm skiing, I just may or may not be as successful some days - you'll have those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 open skier pro skier and men's masters are already existing terms that already have defined meanings. the term shortline is also a existing term that has defined meaning but now you want to change it to mean a much higher level. i think the obvious question to ask is who wants to limit the term shortline to line lengths that are well above there own ability and may always be unnatainable for them? anyone who is regularly skiing at 38 off can easily decide they want 38 off to be the minimum we call shortline but how many 22 off skiers would favor that? not me and not anyone i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller T_C Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 If you run a pass, drop at the end and say "shorten it" you are a short line skier. Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2013 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2013 this is getting divisive. just go ski Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller alex38 Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 @horton but I'm hurt and have nothing better to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 @alex38 - get some Kilo Kai. Then you can shorten it any time you like. Just don't do that before skiing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 When was the first attempt at 38' off made? Is there even a record of this? Was the term shortline around prior to this event occuring? Whoever was around back then and remembers can tell us all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2013 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2013 klp or blp I would guess Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 First 38 run was by Bob LaPoint 1980. He scored 2@39. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted July 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2013 I keep coming back to what I thought would have been the best slogan for this website that was offered up a while back: "Shortline...Online" Little did I know that no one actually definitively knows what the term means! We seriously need a ruling from the old heads...without prior influence from @Horton! Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gsm_peter Posted July 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 31, 2013 Is the 75 feet rope used in course skiing anymore? I think I have read that up to type 1973 or so every skier has to start on 75 feet rope first pass. After this the 60feet rope was the standad. The Swede Lasse Björk seems to have had some impact on this rule change. I have asked around a bit in Sweden and the generic opinion is 16 m is a short line. My 2 cents For me a short line is a bit shorter than the original line. The original line is nowdays 18,25m (I have never seen anybody skied the course with 23 m) so 16 m is my understanding of a short line. But I can also understand those who use the boie as reference and use the distance to the boie as reference. My brain do not grasp the other reference points since they seems to relate to skills? My goal is to run 22 off at 34 before I am to old to improve. (I will then call me a short line skier) It maybe does not seem impressive but I can not really dream of any other levels. (Been skiing for three sesons and am now getting close at 29) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted July 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 31, 2013 my brother found a a 1989 awsa rule book in his old ski stuff and back then a full 75 foot rope was the max starting length except for 15 off max for men 1 men 2 and men 3 at the national championships. other sub rules allowed the tourny judges to raise the min speeds as much as 4 mph and for skiers to start at shorter ropes if they wanted. the term 'first cut' was used for 15 off 'second cut' for 22 off and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted July 31, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted July 31, 2013 @mwetskier - interesting piece of history there! Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scuppers Posted July 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 31, 2013 @Onside135 Yes, that slogan "Shortline Online was the best. Don't know why Horton didn't take to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller klindy Posted July 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted July 31, 2013 @mwetskier the 2013 AWSA rule book also includes virtually the same language. See here - http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/divisions/3event/2013AWSARuleBook.pdf - on page 45+/-. The terminology "first cut", "second cut", etc. is still used. Since the introduction of "zero-based slalom scores" the minimum starting speed statement has change a bit. The LOC can now limit the number of passes but not fewer than four. Plus the minimum starting speed at Nationals is 31kph (or Level 7 min). The 75' rope length is also still an AWSA standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andy Posted August 7, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2013 I ride the Shortline on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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