yardsale Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Does the 450sc weigh the same as the 409? A better question is does it weigh any more than the 409? and thus is wake size affected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted November 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted November 14, 2013 The 450 and 409 are the same weight, as they are effectively the same engine with different tune and camming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted November 15, 2013 Baller Share Posted November 15, 2013 I don't think weight is a big concern. I can't tell the difference in my 200 between a full tank of gas or a empty tank. I try to always keep mine full. The 196 is a complete different story, everyone tried to keep them at a quarter tank. Remember the 450 engine says 93 octane REQUIRED not suggested. I run 87 in my 6 liter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted November 15, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted November 15, 2013 I had a 450 in my 12. It was a let down at first as it just seemed no more potent then a 409......but then at about 125 hours the engine woke up. Really did not see any top end speed increase but acceleration from mid range to top speed was incredible. the package slalomed real well but it was an awesome jump boat. again 93 is what is prescribed for that package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 15, 2013 Baller Share Posted November 15, 2013 @jody_seal's 450 slalomed like a dream. Seemed to minimize the ZO effect for this PP skier allowing for a match of tourney PB in one round and crushing it in another. The applications of ZO power just seemed smoother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brewski Posted November 16, 2013 Baller Share Posted November 16, 2013 Would be fun to see what the tuner guys could get out of either engine with a minimal/no mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardsale Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 good info, thanks. aside from choppin some balls, we also like to mess around on the holidays with the families and pull up pyramids and junk like that. my 97 gt40 can only get up 4 guys on two skis. we also like to pull as many long line footers, and the gt 40 can only pull two guys at the correct speeds. a couple of us are 200+ lb fellas...which is part of it too. and, when buying new...why not dial it in with the options you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardsale Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 in regards to tuner guys, i thought the 450 was a super charged engine, but realize it's not? was it at one time? the huge gains would come from a SC or turbo that a guy could reflash with a new map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted November 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted November 18, 2013 No, the 450 is naturally aspirated. The XS550 is PCM's supercharged LSA marinized engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj60 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Hey ballers, looking for some advise and or info. just purchased a 2005 nautique 196 in absolute mint condition 116hrs on motor flawless interior hull and outside near perfect just a few minor nicks. from what i was told it was owned by Jeff Hawkins (jumper) dont know the name then sold in 2006 with 80hrs this guy then barely used it. I feel like a got a super deal on it any comments or info i can get will be greatly appreicated its my first ski boat thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted November 19, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted November 19, 2013 If You Got Jeff Hawkins boat then yes indeed you got a well taken care of boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted November 19, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted November 19, 2013 @rj60 Post some pics. The 196 Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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