Baller Ilivetoski Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 How many people have ever heard of a concept that says that you can turn with so much angle out of the buoy that you ski "away" from the boat. To clarify (when I heard this I had to have him repeat this 3 times because it made no sense in my head)- your ski is pointed behind you and you are creating more space between you and the boat. I have my thoughts about this. That said, when your tail turns past the tip of the ski isnt that when you blow out the ski? Has anyone else heard of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller webbdawg99 Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted December 10, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted December 10, 2014 Sure. This happens all the time. The result will either be the handle being slimgshot'd at the boat crew, the skier breaking forward so bad that he won't have a prayer of making it to the next buoy, or if he can hang on the only chance he will have is to stop the boat (my $ will be on ZO). If you want to be a decent slalom skier this is a really bad idea, unless I totally misunderstood your question. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted December 10, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted December 10, 2014 NOPE.. Please read Misconceptions thread and post by AdamCord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brady Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 Yes! It is called "smear"ing. :) Okay, serious answer now @ilivetoski, I agree with what was said before. While it may look look you are cranking that ski around, it is simply an illusion. Like @Wish showed from Adam, the angle is so much less than what it feels like. Here is an excellent video that shows it up close--and the music is cherry as well. Look at T gas on turn 4 and then look at how far he travels down course thru the turn, even though it looks as if he is turning completely horizontal to the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller drewski32 Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 @live2ski please tell me this is a joke... The line is at a fixed length and the boat will never lose to you, no matter how big your muscles may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 Was I coaching you? Actually I say things like that all the time. Not expecting you to actually turn away from the boat but just to push the turn angle as aggressively as you can. It works in rare cases. More people overturn (so I have to bring out the coordinates lesson). If you happen to overturn so much that the tail is further downcourse than the tip, you'd better have great body position to absorb the extra force needed to get the ski aiming in an appropriate direction. Still it can be a useful coaching tool. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted December 10, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 @dreski32 I completely disagree with this and when the person told me this they lost all credibility in my mind. The problem was when he told it to a bunch of skiers this weekend, and apparently some of them believed him. You know when you wanna give the panda to someone in real life? It was that times 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted December 10, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 @eleeski he actually draws out the angle that he is talking about. He draws it getting progressively farther from the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RazorRoss3 Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 If the ski where to be able to point beyond perpendicular (which it absolutely cannot) then the only force accelerating it would cease to exist and you would sink into the water. An alternate theory is that the ski would try and cut backwards. Either way you aren't running the pass. In reality you arms would no longer be part of your body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 10, 2014 Administrators Share Posted December 10, 2014 @eleeski so you are saying your slalom coaching rarely works Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted December 10, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted December 10, 2014 goes back to the theory of only listening to coaching from a skier that's better than you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted December 10, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 @richarddoane I dont listen to him. Half the time I hear him talking to others I think why am I not throwing a ski at him? Other ideas of his are- the slalom course is different deminsions buoy to buoy. 1-2 is not the same as 3-4 and thats not the same at 5-6. I could go on all day about things I have heard from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chuck_Dickey Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 Rossi printed something like - no more than 45 degree angle towards the next buoy or you load the line too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted December 10, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted December 10, 2014 Oh those guys are fun to listen to. Woulda been a waist of a good ski to thow it at him. No no no, you must add to this thread these nuggets of slaloming knoledge as entertaining as they are. ..... 1-2 is not the same as 3-4.... That's priceless. Keepm coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brady Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 @ilivetoski. Does he post here? And if so, what is his name. (We want to give him some feedback). And if not, why would anyone listen to him. When I look for a coach, I insist they are a ball of spray certified smart ass.....errrr coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 @Horton…can you do that thing to this thread where it just dies. Like you did with the "porn star" thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 @Oneside135 I'm tempted to do that @Ilivetoski They only question for you is what are his scores? Oh and he gets this http://media.tumblr.com/fe497dd337d9af8479bb6398b9565d16/tumblr_inline_mg6n5ltl6X1rxe4lt.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted December 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 Chuck Norris gets this much angle routinely… If thread won't die…maybe I can derail it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 10, 2014 Administrators Share Posted December 10, 2014 @Onside135 you really said this? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted December 10, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted December 10, 2014 @mattP He can run 32 off. You know who this is. He has relations with Jodi. @Brady no he does not post on here. All of my coaches know him and said I should never, under any circumstances, listen to him. Even my dad who really dosent know much about coaching and ski technique etc. said for it to go in one ear and out another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller webbdawg99 Posted December 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 11, 2014 The correlation between someone's coaching ability and skiing ability is relatively low. I know some good skiers that are terrible coaches and vice versa. One of these good skier/terrible coach types was recently trying to "educate" an up and coming skier. The "coach" offered to go into more depth about his slalom theory at a later time. After the "coach" left, I told the new guy, "Here's the best advice I can give you about your skiing, don't ever listen to a word that guy says!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted December 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 11, 2014 I once had a lady skier as a student and had her running a nice 30mph pass until idiot boyfriend stepped in and convinced her to switch from lff to rff. With predictable bad results Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted December 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 11, 2014 So, let me get this one part straight.....this guy thinks the dimensions of the course is different between 1-2 and 3-4' etc? This course of "his" is really magical. It changes dimensions based on the direction he's skiing I guess. He should really take a look at a rule book just once in his life. Seriously, this guy knows so little he must be a real comedy show to be around. Please, @Ilivetoski, keep these nuggets coming. We all need a good laugh regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted December 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 11, 2014 @webbdawg99 ooo you are right. I beleive I remember that encounter and completly agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted December 11, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted December 11, 2014 @LeonL he told me to run my opener on a wooden disk/ table top. I think hes looked at the rule book, hes a judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted December 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 11, 2014 It would seem that he hasn't looked in the appendix at the slalom course dimensions chart. This is too goofy. He must just be yanking your chain trying to get a rise out of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brady Posted December 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted December 11, 2014 @Ilivetoski Maybe you should stop listening to @Horton. That is who you are talking about isn't it? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisUserNameIsDumb Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 @Ilivetoski loveeesssss pulling things out of his a** so he should get along with this mythical coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walleye Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 What is the goal of Nationals? 17. Include free coaching from livetoski's coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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