Baller LeonL Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 I supposed you even get driver error in the highest echelon of skiing, but it's kind of a shame that happens. It's sorta hard to tell on webcast, but is the wind and/or chop causing the lower scores? I agree with,what OB said. None of these skiers are accustomed to a 4 buoy course, a pull to 5 should be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted October 24, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 24, 2015 Cross tail up and down. Not the best conditions and there are seas walls here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 Two ex-pros in the final. What a surprise. Sr PGA Event. Moving on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 @Bill22, I have to disagree that Dano did a good job on trick. He used mostly wakeboard names for tricks and deferred to his compatriot for technical comments. If he's passionate about what he does why does not get any better? Is it just that hard to get competent announcers? I hear better announcing at local class c tournaments. know there's no money but....... Just the continuous announcing wrong rope lengths show that their mind was not on the subject at hand. Stevie is barely better than Dano. Every time I watch I get this way. I've either got to quit watching or just bite my tongue. Wait, I'm not talking, I'm typing. I guess I need to bite my fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonskier Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Four bouy course -its nonsense! I'm watching it live on Webcast TV, the sport I love and one of the most prestigious events reduced to four bouys!! I don't get it. What next US Golf open over 9 holes? The Superbowl on a half size field? I'm not enjoying it and I don't understand why its been done. Make it two bouys next year and I might qualify. Its Saturday night in London, I'm gonna watch Strictly come dancing on TV instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted October 24, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 24, 2015 @londonskier It's all for the local crowds to get skiing in front of the public. Bit of a problem in that there's no public here for most part. Vast Vast majority are family and friends and true fan skiers. The same people that would show up at one of the many prestine sights around here. Silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ralph Lee Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 This is bullshi*!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 Anyone having webcast issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gjohnson Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted October 24, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 24, 2015 @OB1 it was parcial sarcasm. No delusion here about this site and lack of public crowd or the need for it. I see it every year. Still love the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted October 24, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 24, 2015 Kinis and beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller klindy Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 And no scores posted either....just trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ralph Lee Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 The general public will never be interested again. Boats are too expensive, skis are too expensive, gas is too expensive, and ski clubs are too expensive and exclusive. Video games are cheap and Porn is free. The "general public" either can't afford this sport, or are sick, lazy, sexual immoral degenerates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 Now I might be a bit Naive, if you had a event , as well as a few Live Bands, a Car Show and some other Entertainment, that was a draw to the general Public and there happened to be a Water Ski Comp Going on, as well just maybe some of the general public might get interested. What do you think ? I do agree with @londonskier why try and market the sport with a cut down version, absolutely pointless, as far as I am concerned NIL POINTS. @londonskier Strictly Come Dancing Nooooooooooo that is so not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 @LeonL I have to agree with you because I know zero about trick. I meant he made it sound exciting. My point is we have had this discussion several times and nothing has changed, no need to bash someone online. If you gave me a mic, in between skiers you would hear a lot of...umm..umm It did bug me when he said -38 was an easy pass. And when Whitney came around 1ball, (I think @-38) got on the tail of the ski and the ski was almost pointing straight up to the sky. She made an AMAZING recovery, runs the pass and nothing is said about it! (that's what I saw on the webcast but it could have looked different in person) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 Cranes Roost Altamonte Springs FL, with an Art Show involving all the local schools. Bands? Sure, they have a stage already there. Car show? sure. We used to do the tour there with pretty big numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 Who is the one putting on the US Open? The person in charge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 I shouldn't say anything negative about announcers because no doubt I'd be terrible at it. Boy Krueger did an excellent job at Diablo. I say since he smashes the records he should retire and just do announcing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 @liquid d has a point. Bring the local high school Pep Band in to play. They'll enjoy the exposure and practice plus their families will come along and skiing will be exposed to them. Can't possible cost much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted October 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 @Orlando76 I am a band director...... pay my flight and entry and my band is in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted October 24, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted October 24, 2015 @liquid d CBS Radio (Casey Mommer) along with Nautique. I beleive they sighed a contract with USAWS for name ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted October 25, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 25, 2015 @liquid d CBS Orlando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 Hours later I see no scores anywhere. Is Nautique unable to afford to send a staff member to drive down the road to the site with a phone in hand and post some scores on their website? Pathetic. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ski6jones Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 Tough audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted October 25, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 25, 2015 Will A ties for second place..?. did I miss a run off or is it just a tie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 WOW, I can't believe all the Negativity !!! ....A lot of people worked really hard to put on a Good Show,and I believe they did...And there was really a decent crowd there. The four ball course was necessary to get the show close to the crowd, and the average viewer was excited to see it up close . Everyone was on their feet when Nate was coming back at 43 off. There may have been a few technical mistakes in announcing, but the average Joe had no clue, and Dano did a good job of keeping a high level of excitement going for the average person. Say what you want about Dano, but you cannot deny that he is enthusiastic, and the crowd responds to that. They also had an excellent PA system for everyone to clearly hear what was going on. There was also a lot of discussion on BOS about blending the Big Dawgs in with the Pro's. I felt they did a good job of pulling that off, and everyone seemed to understand the difference..The people around me really liked the Head to Head. Jump was the last event and no one had left..Lots of OOH's and AHH"s from the crowd. Plus it was close to the crowd, so they could get that "Flying through the Air Effect." Overall, I thought the event went really well and there were a LOT more people there than I expected, especially Family's with their Kids and Dogs...Also, it was FREE !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 Having the webcast is very cool. Real good announcing again. Lots of great 3 event skiing. A solid showcase for the sport. Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bishop8950 Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's easy to fire off criticism from behind a keyboard. It's a lot harder to get on your feet and host an event. I enjoyed the entire event via webcast. Overall, we are lucky to have the US Open back in any format and thanks to all of the sponsors and volunteers that made it happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller T-fromTO Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 Considering that this was Stevie's second time announcing a major event and he is quite young, I think he did a fantastic job. He told me he wants to do more of this kind of work and is enthusiastic and willing to learn and improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller brody Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 4 ball course just takes away from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 @brody Nautique are Great Sponsors, where would we be with out them, but it was a shame that it was a Four ball course. @bishop8950 your comments are %100 correct and I fully support them, but people are passionate about the sport and want it to be the best it can be. I also think the Head to Head format is the way to go as far as promoting the sport, Top Ten or Sweet sixteen, it's not a whole day watching people ski up and down the day, it is an event where you can create excitement, that's what the Public want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 Ther were some scores on waterski results.com and then everything disappeared except trick and jump. Also (not that it matters really) why were jump and trick run as F/X? Whatever the scores were, most were lowere than expected, EXCEPT, the truly elite. They seemed to not be off by much. Four ball course not so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller CBR51 Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 I was there i thought Steve did a great job! and in time he will only get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 @Razorskier1, What would you do to make a webcast more reliable in a cost effective manner? I'm all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted October 25, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 25, 2015 Why are the scores so secret? Is there a broadcast of some sort pending? The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bishop8950 Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 @Stevie Boy I hear you. There is definitely a place for constructive feedback and if we want the events to be the best they can we need it. I think it works best when A) we know and recognize as much about what went well as we do about what could be improved and B ) it comes with some consideration as to what it takes to put this stuff on, the real world constraints, and general awareness of where we are today with these events and the sport. All of our biggest events come down to a few sponsors (thanks!!) a few key people that lead each event and a ton of volunteers that work really hard to set everything up and run the events. If any back out there are no events. Because of this I am really happy/thankful we have events like the Malibu Open, CA ProAm, US Open and others and I start by cheering them on. After that we should offer feedback which event organizers have been willing to take on. I personally agree some changes should be considered. I also believe the US Open and BD Final were very cool and a success overall. I am sure you agree and I was just trying to keep the thread constructive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 @bishop8950 , I support everything you have stated and agree criticism does not encourage Volunteers or Sponsors, I am not aware of such a group, but maybe a Pro Skier association that could be approached by Sponsors and Volunteers so that Ideas and Format could be discussed, so that Events could be structured to Benefit all parties, I am sure that the Sponsors would love to see a bigger foot fall at these events, maybe One Off Head to Head Night Events for the Top Ten or Sweet Sixteen, people are always looking for events in the evening, but it has to be short and sweet, maybe the Night Event could attract other types of Sponsor, difficult but I would love to see the sport attract more spectators, Night Jump Events always seem to work well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 Its not that the scores are a secret, its just not a priority for the organizers. The scores are maintained onsite by the scorer who likely is a volunteer brought in for that job. He/she likely doesn't have the inclination nor access to the Nautique website to make them available there. Often times, internet access isn't available or perhaps they simply forgot to turn on the upload to www.waterskiresults.com. I wasn't involved in this tournament, but for the ones I have been involved with, everyone's focus at the end of the day is to get the awards done and then get the site torn down as fast as possible. Over the course of the next week all the scores will be uploaded to the USAWaterski website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooSPX Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 @Wish I was just to the left of you. In from of Lucine and her family. Here is a shot I took of Will Asher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted October 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2015 THANK YOU to everyone who made the US Open possible. It was a great event, a great webcast with a lot of AWESOME skiing!!! Skiers, drivers, organizers, sponsors, announcers, judges, scoring, rope handlers, dock support, cameramen, volunteers, webcast crew, sound, first aid & EMT, everyone else and the guy's who installed the course, thanks for all you do to make it happen!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooSPX Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Freddy and Bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted October 25, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 25, 2015 @DooSPX Wow..nice pic. Ya probably should have done a "who's going to the Open" thread and met some ballers. To those who think we are complaining. I think it is far less of a complaint and more of hope. We hoped they would not do a 4 ball course again. We hoped they would think of the publics lack of knowledge of what "line off" means and say it in feet on. We would hope they would choose a venue that supports a 6 ball course and is still well known by Orlando (there is). We hope if that was not an option they would try a different format to make it more exciting. We hope from year to year they would see the dwindling numbers of spectators, the frustrated/disappointed fan base not liking 4 ball course and to see the US Open for what it stands or stood for. But, nothing changes. Why? It is legitimate frustration and disappointment. Is this better then nothing..??? Would the Masters Golf tournament played on a par 3 course be better then nothing?? Would the Tour De France be better then nothing if raced on just flats.? Would the Daytona 500 be better then nothing if the cars were limited 30% more?? Would the fan base drop in any of those scenarios??...Would there be frustrations and disappointment from the fans??. Call it a hope for next year, call it frustration and or disappointment for this year, but don't dismiss it as irrational complaining. Do the same thing next year and watch the crowds get smaller with more frustration and disappointment written here on this forum. Change is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ralph Lee Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 I am always thankful and thrilled every time a ski event has a live webcast. For me, focusing more on the athletes before and after they ski would make things more interesting. Show them warming up, close ups on their skis and equipment, conversations they may be having. Make it feel more personable before they ski. Then interview them fresh out of the water to get some genuine emotion. A few simple things could add some huge entertainment to the viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 Put the US Open back with Nationals like it used to be. Both have degraded since the split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 People are pulled in many different directions for many "events" , and reasons. Ob1 is right, piggybacking , or combining , is needed. Nothing wrong with it. When I go to Olde Towne car show, there is a band, and a restaurant (several) to make a full evening of it. Not everyone is totally into the cars; that's ok, there's the band, and food and drinks. A casual interest and appreciation is all that's needed. When I go to an NBA game with wife and family, they love the atmosphere, the food, etc. Do they know the dif between a crossover and double dribble/traveling? no...but they have fun. It would be nice to bring the casual fan of waterskiing to the show. They don't have to be competition waterskiers; they just have to appreciate the talent. I don't play tennis, but I dang sure watch the US Open and Wimbledon! The atmosphere needs a change. It is fun to watch waterskiing (especially in Central Fla where so many appreciate the sport), we just need to get it in front of some crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 I can picture @liquid d watching Wimbledon while sipping tea with his pinky out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stathis Ventouris Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 The 4 ball course does not make any sense for such a big tournament. There is no reason for competitors to opt for the word record in their category since it will no count. In addition, spectators that are not familiar with the sport (the ones supposedly you want to attract in such an event) that the slalom course consists of 4 balls. Such a mess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller TFIN Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 Pro events have long used a 4-buoy course when the parameters of the site require such. The opportunity to place ourselves in front of a crowd in an easily accessed urban setting trumps the need for a traditional course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted October 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2015 Well, how about using an 8-ball course (ski the last 6 each way) instead of the 4-ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted October 26, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 26, 2015 @TFIN then why confuse the public by speaking in "line off" terms. Since a 4 ball is not record capable and you sort of admit it is a competitive show, why not run it head to head. Or take it to the next level and set in 2 slalom courses (4 ball) and run it where the public sees in an instant the winner per bracket. I do not understand the argument "setting trumps tradition" when all the confusing, monotonous to the public looking tradition of slalom is SO infused in a 4 ball set up settings. When slalom looks the same and the same person runs up and back multiple times and little is being understood by the audience (public on hand) as to scores, how can setting be that important? Public audiences with little else happening tends to walk off. Please explain. Is it the better then nothing argument? PS I'm all for public venue if you recognize and cater to the target audience. Vast majority this weekend was nothing more then family and friends of skiers and some of skiing fan base. And none of this weekend was catered to the general public. BTW, just spurring conversation and enlightenment. I have the highest regards for you as a skier and a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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