Baller Fehlindra Posted December 5, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 5, 2015 We have an 2001 nautique is it possible to use an slalom switch för that or is it better to try get an upgrade to Star Gazer Upgrade, Z Box and Multi-Line Display ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted December 5, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 5, 2015 Dont recall version but at 2001 you should be good. I always used a switch, at 215+ at the time, without it total crap ride n bad times. With switch you have KX, PX, skier weight and wind correct, all necessary to get a truly good ride. That assumes crew weight and SSD are correct. Lots of variables that take a skilled tech (aka driver) for consistent rides pass to pass much less day to day. Stargazer better but can be a PITA to get the front and back half times balanced. Haven't used Zbox myself but have been told works/skis very well. Simple settings for driver and consistent rides up n down n day to day. That's the way I would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted December 6, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 6, 2015 If your version has PX options on the screen you're good to go with the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted December 6, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted December 6, 2015 I know that a version as old as 6.0xy (with single line display) will allow the slalom switch. If your version is higher than than, you should be good. Side note: on that 6.0xy, we used to set the Kx at 80 to get a strong pull that would keep us closer to ZO. Newer versions just had -, n, + or ++ The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted December 6, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 6, 2015 @Fehlindra PP has great customer service. I have emailed them and they have always answered my questions. @MISkier @BRY , I have been told that the switch only works if you have magnets. Anyone know if this is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fehlindra Posted December 6, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted December 6, 2015 we have magnets but im unsure of the ver. of the pp software, can u flash it? or is it an hardware eprom that must be replaced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted December 6, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted December 6, 2015 @Bill22, I believe that the Jump Switch requires the Smart Timer and magnets. I don't recall hearing anything about that same requirement for the Slalom Switch, but I cannot state with full confidence that it is not a requirement. I seem to recall that the operation of the jump switch was more dependent on the location of the boat in the jump course and that the timer helps avoid operation of the switch when it is not beneficial (and even would be detrimental) to the skier. Others may know more. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted December 6, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted December 6, 2015 @Fehlindra , what version does it say when you power up the display? I think, with single line display, that it would show that upon powering on. It's been a long time since I worked with one and don't recall the menus that might show the system version. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted December 6, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 6, 2015 @Fehlindra Been a while since I played with PP, been ZO exclusive since 2011. Don't know if the switch requires magnets for slalom or not. With a PX of 0 it does nothing, above that it adds the setting as a percentage of skier weight to rpm. I went with a 20 so would get 40rpm added when engaged (200lbs skier weight, I lied, better for opener. Did sound like titanic going down at the ends in tournaments though beep, beep, beep,,,, whole lotta beepin going on.) I recall I could feel it on the pull out, before the gates/magnets, so would assume magnets not needed. I had a single line display that worked with the switch, upgraded to multi-line when I put Stargazer in that boat. So single line head worked, but did have new enough rev for KX -, n, + or ++ settings. One of my favorite quotes from a big gun back in the day responding when asked why he skied ++, "because there isn't a +++!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted December 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2015 Yes with the single line display PP will show the Rev for 1 or 2 seconds when turned on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted December 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2015 If you do need an upgrade for your software they ship you a new EEPROM chip. I think the new chip is about $20. That is what PP told me I would need to get a multi line display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller keithh2oskier Posted December 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2015 Cant say for certain but in jump the switch would activate before it was in the course when i pulled skiers doing full cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted December 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2015 All,you have to do to find out is scroll through the menu and see if PX appears. PX is set in numerical values, KX -,n,+,++. If you have a multiline display PX and KX appear on main screen. I have a couple of EPROMs but don't known the version. I'll send them to you if you want them. To get multiline you need a new head also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fehlindra Posted December 7, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted December 7, 2015 shall try to find out what rev. we have this week thnx guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DW Posted December 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2015 If you are going to upgrade the chip, you might also want to get a chip puller at the same time. You can get them pretty cheap from the internet shipped direct to your house from across the left pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fehlindra Posted December 7, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted December 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted December 7, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted December 7, 2015 That is a fairly old version. Unless you can find some Px, Kx settings in the menus, I think you need an upgrade. You will need to determine if you can get newer chips to work with your current master module. Also, you'll want to see if your current master module even has a socket to plug in a rope switch. You cannot use the 6.5NG chip with your single line display. I think the highest you can go is 6.5n. If it were me and I were competing in tournaments, I would bite the bullet and get zBox. I'd at least get StarGazer to get the benefit of GPS and no more magnet requirement. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted December 7, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted December 7, 2015 Follow-up: buying zBox for you means getting a new StarGazer master module, new multiine display, and the zBox upgrade. About the only thing you might keep is the throttle servo, and I would even double check that with PerfectPass. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GregHind Posted December 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 7, 2015 Get the zbox. You keep current wiring and servo motor. Zbox is so much better than the rope switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted December 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted December 9, 2015 @Fehlindra I think that was the version I had in my 93 Hydrodyne Comp. Seems to me I had to put in a version 6.4 chip to run the Switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fehlindra Posted December 9, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted December 9, 2015 ok shall talk with the (council) and see what they say about every thing u guys helped me out with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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