Administrators Horton Posted February 14, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 14, 2017 I was watching some old video today and thought I would share Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigskieridaho Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 Yep I watched that video more than once! Pretty cool to see his technique in person out here at our lake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigskieridaho Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 Yep I watched that video more than once! Pretty cool to see his technique in person out here at our lake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gt2003 Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 I've been slowing that (and Regina's) video down further by using the settings button. They sure make it look easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gt2003 Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 I've been slowing that (and Regina's) video down further by using the settings button. They sure make it look easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 That one is a classic, it helps get me through the winter. I have also used it to explain to coworkers what slalom skiing is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 That one is a classic, it helps get me through the winter. I have also used it to explain to coworkers what slalom skiing is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller epnault Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 I watch this one at least once a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller epnault Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 I watch this one at least once a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 For the pullout how would you describe it? -Drop hips? -Bend knees? This is just one aspect of the video that stands out. Very similar to how Regina pulls out. I ask because from here it appears they pull out with out pulling against or away from the boat, but rather more in the direction of travel. Something I struggle to do correctly. How is this done in a controlled, consistent manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 For the pullout how would you describe it? -Drop hips? -Bend knees? This is just one aspect of the video that stands out. Very similar to how Regina pulls out. I ask because from here it appears they pull out with out pulling against or away from the boat, but rather more in the direction of travel. Something I struggle to do correctly. How is this done in a controlled, consistent manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted February 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 15, 2017 Pull out to 9 O'clock directionally with your belly button leading the way. Pull out at a consistent mark and for a consistent count. Don't "snap" up out of the move out. Gradual, comfy stand up, relaxed glide, gradual move in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted February 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 15, 2017 Pull out to 9 O'clock directionally with your belly button leading the way. Pull out at a consistent mark and for a consistent count. Don't "snap" up out of the move out. Gradual, comfy stand up, relaxed glide, gradual move in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Skier Terry Winter Posted February 15, 2017 Elite Skier Share Posted February 15, 2017 @cragginshred a couple of keys I feel on the pullout are 1) starting off over the front foot and really feel and even see the tip of the ski engaging in the water as I move out 2) completely even pressure with my hands on the handle... I'm not twisting away or into the movement, just letting the hands be 50/50 pressure on the handle. From that the shoulders will face right down the length of the rope, and that will help you move or lean more in the direction of travel instead of loading up so much against the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Skier Terry Winter Posted February 15, 2017 Elite Skier Share Posted February 15, 2017 @cragginshred a couple of keys I feel on the pullout are 1) starting off over the front foot and really feel and even see the tip of the ski engaging in the water as I move out 2) completely even pressure with my hands on the handle... I'm not twisting away or into the movement, just letting the hands be 50/50 pressure on the handle. From that the shoulders will face right down the length of the rope, and that will help you move or lean more in the direction of travel instead of loading up so much against the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brettmainer Posted February 15, 2017 Members Share Posted February 15, 2017 Looks pretty easy at 9mph. Does ZBS go that low? Will I have to get a bigger ski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brettmainer Posted February 15, 2017 Members Share Posted February 15, 2017 Looks pretty easy at 9mph. Does ZBS go that low? Will I have to get a bigger ski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brettmainer Posted February 15, 2017 Members Share Posted February 15, 2017 In all seriousness, I haven't seen a better video tool than that clip. Also, watching Terry run 41 from the boat is the most impressive thing I've ever seen in skiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brettmainer Posted February 15, 2017 Members Share Posted February 15, 2017 In all seriousness, I haven't seen a better video tool than that clip. Also, watching Terry run 41 from the boat is the most impressive thing I've ever seen in skiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted February 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 15, 2017 Wow thanks Terry!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted February 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 15, 2017 Wow thanks Terry!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller PT Mike Posted February 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2017 This video never gets old. I've been nursing a problematic rear foot for a many years. When I go to physical therapy or when I signed up with a trainer I use this video to show them the extreme forces associated with slalom. I usually stop the video after two ball as most people's attention span won't last that long and we all know it looks the same whether they're running -32 or -39 off. But after that short clip they always react with an, "oh, I thought you were on two skies doing the whip and fun stuff like that". Nobody really gets it, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller PT Mike Posted February 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2017 This video never gets old. I've been nursing a problematic rear foot for a many years. When I go to physical therapy or when I signed up with a trainer I use this video to show them the extreme forces associated with slalom. I usually stop the video after two ball as most people's attention span won't last that long and we all know it looks the same whether they're running -32 or -39 off. But after that short clip they always react with an, "oh, I thought you were on two skies doing the whip and fun stuff like that". Nobody really gets it, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted February 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2017 @cragginshred How cool is this web site! You talk about one of our spirt's greatest - Bam! There he is giving you (us) pointers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted February 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2017 @cragginshred How cool is this web site! You talk about one of our spirt's greatest - Bam! There he is giving you (us) pointers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted February 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2017 What I love, love, love in this video is how obvious it is that the hips and core are leading the charge through the entire pass. Some might call it "stack" but I feel that it's more than stance. It's a mindset of lower body being in control of the ski and directional changes vs. upper body. When you are an ass-back/hip-dragger and watch someone ski like this (and really any shortline skier who runs, say 35 off does this to some extent, it seems like you can run up to about -32 with ass-back upper body skiing) what you are seeing is a different definition of how speed and width are created. You have to redefine your definition of in-course technique if you are skiing with your hips back. I believe the extent to which you do this is directly proportional to your shortline success and efficiency. This will 100% be my goal this year. Stand over my feet, hips forward. Buoy count will be a distant second to figuring out how to actually ski right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted February 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 16, 2017 What I love, love, love in this video is how obvious it is that the hips and core are leading the charge through the entire pass. Some might call it "stack" but I feel that it's more than stance. It's a mindset of lower body being in control of the ski and directional changes vs. upper body. When you are an ass-back/hip-dragger and watch someone ski like this (and really any shortline skier who runs, say 35 off does this to some extent, it seems like you can run up to about -32 with ass-back upper body skiing) what you are seeing is a different definition of how speed and width are created. You have to redefine your definition of in-course technique if you are skiing with your hips back. I believe the extent to which you do this is directly proportional to your shortline success and efficiency. This will 100% be my goal this year. Stand over my feet, hips forward. Buoy count will be a distant second to figuring out how to actually ski right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGray Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 @twhisper skied today after reading your post and thought about just those two statements you made. Been struggling for a while getting wide and still in control on my gate. Didn't try 35 but had some of the best 28s and 32s I have had I a while. Now if I can just remember to remember those. Thanks for being a help to all and yes I love watching that video over and over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddA Posted February 19, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 19, 2017 @twhisper great point on the 50/50 hands/handle pressure! I have never thought of that, and I can almost say for certain, that I am not doing even pressure. When you come back to Hilltop you will have to remind me of that point! Hope you and the family are well! Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_I_Ski Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Love to watch that video of Terry and had the privilege of watching him from the boat about 7 years ago. A group of us were at Sunset Ranch when Terry and four other pros along with Todd and the waterski mag camera crew showed up to film for Edged in Water Two. I don't believe they ever used any of the footage but it was great fun to watch. I was in the boat when Will Asher took a stab at the lake record. He got inside six at 41 off. A mutual friend, Scott Rabeneau, who is also a very good coach said it best when he said he would rather watch Terry run 32 off than other pros make shorter passes. Anyway, here is another video of a guy with great form that some people aren't familiar with. His name is Wim Decree and if you go to Schnitz's site you can watch it in slo mo. It's great to watch if you're LFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 20, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 20, 2017 Looks like perfect ski set-up, too. Now that I'm learning about this stuff I really pay attention to tip and smear. @twhisper gets a lot of tip and then smears perfectly to desired line of travel. Very cool video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDub Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 If any of you guys are interested, more videos are available of Terry on his new site... www.trainwithterrywinter.com. He has a video library that he is continually adding new videos. Also, there is information about skiing with him in California, dates and pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted February 22, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2017 I tried Terrys tip Sunday and really felt a difference.! I think most would agree sinply thinking 'front foot' is not enough...TW added feel and even see the tip of the ski engage the water. I did not look down to look for the tip but I felt it. With the wind and rain Sunday it was not optimal to work on this but I felt more of the front of the ski loaded -so thank you Terry! BTW I will check out his site too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted January 29, 2018 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2018 On a cold winter evening after dinner last week... Me to the family while pulling up this video: “This might help provide some off season motivation.” Son: “Is that Terry Winter at quarter speed? I already watched it and Stare today at school during lunch.” I couldn’t be more proud if he saved a runaway bus full of orphans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted January 29, 2018 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2018 How many of you try to get the early edge change like Terry does? It seems so natural for him to what looks like flipping the ski off the center wake. This is my focus for the spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted January 29, 2018 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2018 Unless you can build that angle and speed first off the ball - no TW edge change.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted January 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2018 @rockdog so cross course angle and speed are key to getting the ski to flip off the center wake? How do you gauge that you now have enough to make it happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted January 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2018 I think Terry's edge change you refer to (flip) is more exaggerated than most. My view is he's able to do that because he can create crazy angle and speed, seemingly more than most but I guess in reality it's not much different from anyone running those line lengths. @horton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 30, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted January 30, 2018 @rockdog I started a separate thread on this exact topic. I don't really want to speak for @twhisper. I have a theory about why his edge change looks so distinct but it would be better to hear it from him. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted January 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2018 THIS is what BOS is all about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted January 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2018 @Horton which thread were you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller andjules Posted January 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2018 @cragginshred this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 3, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted December 3, 2018 bump Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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