Baller_ Wish Posted April 13, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted April 13, 2017 97 196 with kill switch failing. I did the temporary bandaid and slipped a shim between lanyard clip and kill button but that's starting to not work. I'm sure it's a simple fix to hard wire it but seems that the leaning curve is often shortened greatly here on BOS. Suggestions, comments welcome. Is it easier to do with driver seat removed or is that not needed? Just a couple wires to cut and wire nut together or is it more then that? Thanks in advance for posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted April 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2017 Kill kill switches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted April 13, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted April 13, 2017 The Kill switch is very easy to replace, The unit has push on spade connectors. take the nut off from the front of the unit reach around the console from the rear and un plug and plug in new unit reinstall. less then a 5 min replacement. Some of you advocate removal of these devices however it is highly recommended to keep them intact and in good working order, Also to use them it may save a life or a liability suite if found altered or circumvented after a catastrophic accident.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted April 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2017 If you want to keep a kill switch, maybe consider replacing it with the Malibu style toggle rather than the spring loaded pull up switch. Much less prone to failure, and you don't need to leave the lanyard dangling on it if you never use it kill switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted April 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2017 This is the very first thing I look at when the boat mysteriously wont start. Last summer lake owners were frantically looking at the engine and talking about blown gaskets. We were all walking down the levee back to the dock and I said lets double check the kill switch and re seat it -bam fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted April 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2017 @Jody_Seal If I'm riding a jetski, I'm using a kill switch. Extrapolating this reasonable use to a tournament ski boat is absurd. I wonder if more deaths have occurred due to failure of the kill switch at a bad time then getting spontaneously ejected from a tournament boat. Rules which are misguided do not deserve our support. I've had so many killswitches fail. Like @cragginshred says, check that first. But Jody has a good point, replacement is easy. Troubleshooting a hidden corroded wire nut from the removed kill switch is really hard. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 13, 2017 Author Baller_ Share Posted April 13, 2017 Found one on Skidim.. $25.00 hmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted April 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2017 I,m with @Jody_Seal , replace it, don't modify, it's there for a reason, like he said, if there was a event, even if it wasn't your fault, it could be a get out clause for the insurance company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 13, 2017 Author Baller_ Share Posted April 13, 2017 New one ordered. From GanderMountain of all places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 There's NO reason not to have a kill switch on any type of boat. The advocates of removal must have never fished a body out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 I do most of my course maintenance leaning out the drivers seat on my submersible course. Should shut the engine down but don't always. Would be very easy to bump the throttle and get dumped out. Can think of a lot of other scenarios also. Keep it and use it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 14, 2017 Author Baller_ Share Posted April 14, 2017 I suspect if I did a poll of ....do you use the kill switch in your ski boat? There would be less then 2% use. Now, how is it there are so many safety measures/rules when it comes to tournament skiing but having the driver use the kill switch is not one of them (from what I know)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 @Orlando76 No, I've never fished a body out of the water. Only remote chance will be a swimmer drowned in a rip current at our beach. Has anyone EVER died after being thrown from a ski boat? For that matter, has anyone ever used the stupid lanyard in a ski boat? Realistic assessment of risk matters. @thager You can really work on your course from the driver's seat with your right hand cuffed to a lanyard? Just pull the throttle pin - it's quick, easy, foolproof and safe. A squall quickly came up at the other end of Shushwap lake (a very long fetch to generate 4 foot waves). To keep from sinking, we had to keep the boat in a bow high running attitude when crossing back to the safe harbor. Physical enough to require some driver up and down and rough enough to possibly shake a clip loose (especially on an old switch). Fortunately our old boat didn't have a safety problem kill switch so the engine kept running and we made it to safety. "Safety" features need careful consideration before they are forced on us. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 Nobody forcing it on you Eric. I clip the lanyard to my clothing not my wrist. I do know from 20 years as an aviation accident investigator that insurance companies will go to great lengths to get out of paying settlements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller elr Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 Its about liability - $30 part saves $millions on a potential lawsuit v manufacturers. If its not there the manufacturers are liable. If its not used liability is on the operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 So I am forced to use it if I want to avoid liability. That makes the kill switch (which I think reduces my safety and is certainly a maintenance disaster) an assignment of liability to me instead of addressing whatever real safety issues cause some accident. A kill switch is all bad. Tractors have seat sensors. Teslas have steering wheel sensors. Boats have a lanyard that no one uses. We are stuck with a $30 switch that fails frequently and in the real world never is used. Improve it or dump it. Eric Edit. Some boats need the kill switch and the lanyard is a cheap way to get it done. Tournament ski boats don't fall in the category of regularly ejecting drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BrennanKMN Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 Fails frequently? What is your definition of frequently? I am not disagreeing with your thoughts, but having a kill switch be the reason you die, cannot ski, cause an accident, the zombies come is ridiculous to me. Off all the things to fail or cause serious problems I think the kill switch is pretty low on that list. While I rarely use mine it is still fully functional and I'd never think of deleting it. Crap, it is more work to delete it and have it look nice than to just replace the damn thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 Nobody can force you to use it. It is there because somewhere in the past someone died. Same reason there are aviation regulations and other rules of the road etc. Remove the part or bypass it and you set yourself up for liability. Puff,puff, I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted April 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 14, 2017 @BrennanKMN I have had the boat quit scores of times. Every old switch has eventually quit working. Never has it saved anyone. I'd call that a 100% failure rate. To be sure, all nuisance failures. Some have been expensive with the unneeded part replacements. No critical issues. Just "why is this even here?" Who is this mythical person who in the past died in a tournament boat? The only one who it really got to is John Galt. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted April 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 15, 2017 I used mine once. Huge winds at Lake Powell with a full boat (wife, 2 kids, tent, sups, grill, sleeping bags,skis,surfboard ...), had the fam wear vests, too. Never thought of using it on a tourney lake. I just keep a spare under the bow, and it's the very first thing I check when the boat won't start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastercraft81SnS Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 You have to fix it! For liability reasons you need to fix it. Also if you have a shop do any work on your boat and they see your kill switch is bypassed and or doesn't work. They will have to fix it and will charge you to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 27, 2017 Author Baller_ Share Posted April 27, 2017 Replaced. And I think it took 3mn. Maybe less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyone Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 hi, had a intermittent electric problem on my 2002 am skier.After living with it for years unable to find out why it does not start every once in a while,no problem because we use mostly on private lake.Finnally found kill swich slightly warped from the sun causing it to flex open and not allow to start,all else ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted June 27, 2017 Baller Share Posted June 27, 2017 If your kill switch is faded (in color), failure is not far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted June 28, 2017 Baller Share Posted June 28, 2017 mine failed years ago...never used it anyhow....cut wires, twisted them together...added a little electrical tape...good for 10 years so far. Never have I actually seen someone attach the lanyard to themselves...not at my lake, not at any ski school I've been to and not at the ski club that I frequent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted June 28, 2017 Author Baller_ Share Posted June 28, 2017 @Jordan see @Mastercraft81SnS post. That's why I replaced mine. Relatively cheap and stupid easy. Never have attached mine to myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted June 28, 2017 Baller Share Posted June 28, 2017 @Wish I'm pretty sure that if there is some kind of liability on the operator because the switch was disabled, that it would be the same if you weren't wearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted June 28, 2017 Baller Share Posted June 28, 2017 Here is one for five bucks on Amazon https://goo.gl/FAAENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdub Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 @Jordan...I think it is a good time for me to replace the switch. Will the one you found on Amazon work in a 2004 SN 196? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted June 29, 2017 Baller Share Posted June 29, 2017 @Tdub...they are all the same as far as how they work. The only thing to consider is if the new switch will cover the indentation in the vinyl left from the old switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DmaxJC_ski Posted July 3, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 3, 2017 A buddy has a 02 sunsetter lxi, Been shutting down in him lately, no bogg, no sputter, just like you turn the key off. Everything is in excellent repair on the engine, I am assuming it's the kill switch. As soon as he cylcles the key it usually fires back up, the odd time has to crank it a bit. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted July 4, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 4, 2017 Replace kill switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted July 5, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 5, 2017 I had similar symptoms on my 196. Mine was caused by loose spade connections on back of kill switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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