Baller condorpilot Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 I have been trying unsuccessfully, to mount my front Reflex plate onto a 2018 Radar Senate 69” No problem with front four screws but cannot fit screws into the (most forward ) of the series of 6 rear rectangular holes due to the position of the binding arm block In effect the position of these mounting holes under the arm mount/ swivel block appears to render them useless . Any ideas or solutions as otherwise I am unable to mount the plate back enough to achieve the manufacturers or Rinis recommend boot from tail distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 @condorpilot can you take a picture. Very hard to visualize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted June 2, 2018 Author Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Apologies, should have been posted in “Skis, Fins & Bindings” section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted June 2, 2018 Author Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Matt see if I can thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted June 2, 2018 Author Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Never posted pictures before but try this. Photos show it mounted back on my Vapor currently as I couldn’t get it on the Senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DavidN Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Same scenario here. (Reflex Size 8 boot.) The front holes are basically useless on the reflex plate. I can use the 2nd set of holes with different screws (slightly smaller heads) though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Maybe file the washer on the side, grind the block a bit, turn the nut/bolt 180 degrees cut bolt down to required length. Caviat = you have to decide if the block would still maintain integrity strength wise, it is probably what I would do in this situation. Edit - Just thought the other easier way is to cut the head off the bolt, put it into the block from the outside with the thread on the inside and have someone weld the bolt in place from the outside. Then use round head screws/bolts with flat washers to secure binding. Check Everytime You Ski for migration, For Safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 How is the hinge block mounted to the plate? Can it be moved? Then I guess you would need to move the toe loop. Design flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Those big head screws are nice but not practical, change at least the rear ones with standard Philips bubble head that fit next to the bases and flip the hinge screws if needed. Not a big deal. And there is no need to use aluminum countersunk washers with composite plates, unless you like the looks of them. With flat SS washers you can choose different diameter to use depending on your ski and binding setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skier2788 Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 I have run into this problem on a few skis with my giant size 12 reflex. Easiest solution for me was to go to a monoplate and forget those screws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted June 2, 2018 Author Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Thanks to everyone who replied with ideas and solutions. Felt a bit unsure and worried that a smaller headed screw might have been a bit vulnerable. Confident to make adjustments now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 I ran reflex on my 2017 Lithium Senate (67 in) before I sold it with no problem. Then again the 69 prob require different boot placement. Either changes screw type or better yet invest in Mikro-Just. Drexel out the rear holes into one open slot and mount the Mikro-Just on either left or right middle slot. You will now have infinite fine tune adjustability and no longer have to deal with that issue. You can’t achieve recommended binding settings by moving one hole at a time. It a worthy investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 Actually I just looked at your pics again. You have that issue either way if yourre moving that front plate to the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted June 3, 2018 Author Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 C5Quest thanks yes agree with Micro Adjust , an idea suggested else where.The main issues is not so much whether the holes are cut to turn into a slot but the size of the screw head to clear the arm block as it is positioned. By reducing the diameter and height of the screw head in place of the original Radar pan head screws I should achieve the position I require. Just wasn’t confident to use a smaller screw head in case it wasn’t secure enough.I believe that a flat head screw will do the job. Am I correct in saying that the correct standard screw is 8/32 x 1/2” UNC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 Slot the rear holes Grind a washer add a micro adj. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted June 3, 2018 Author Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 Thanks all, job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller FOB69 Posted July 1, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 1, 2020 Hi, i have tge same issue with my new senate graphite 2019 67. The recommanded stock position for front binding is 30 1/2 and i can’t set it up without usign the last hole under the nut (not even sure it will be enougth at the rear with this one). Is it normal that the reflex Plate is so much at the rear with the senate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted July 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 @FOB69 see my pic above If you don't slot the rear holes and use the holes in the plate you need to take off the release arms bolt from the blocks screw the g-10 plate down and then reinstall the release arms to the blocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller FOB69 Posted July 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 @Deanoski. « If you don't slot the rear holes and use the holes in the plate « What do you mean ? Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted July 2, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 @FOB69 My Senate is a 2018 but assume holes will be in the same position on 2019. Matt Rini helped me out with this problem. I have it set at stock position on ski. This uses the 2nd hole. No need to remove/ re position any part of the binding mechanisms , arms or blocks. Simply use a smaller screw head and washer if required ( I used the Reflex screws with the pretty washers) . I previously had it placed forward on the first hole in which case I had to use a flat washer to clear the block. To mount binding , first insert the two rearmost screws into the plate off the ski and drop them their full length so that the heads are flat on the plate. Then offer the plate up to the ski and lightly tighten the rear screws up until the plate meets the top of the ski. Insert the middle and front screws then tighten all 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted July 2, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 Just double checked . Front boot is mounted at 30.5 “ stock setting which is second hole back as in photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller FOB69 Posted July 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 @condorpilot : thank you very much. You have the 67 one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller FOB69 Posted July 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 I just try to use the last hole (under the nut). I am 30,6 instead of 30 1/2 (Senate 2019 67). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted July 2, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 @FOB69 . Confirmed 67” ski . 30 1/2 inches from back of boot ( below heel block ) to tail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted July 2, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 @FOB69 Original post ( 2 years ago ) did refer to a 69” ski . I’m on 67” now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller FOB69 Posted July 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 @condorpilot : On the 67 you are 30 1/2 with the last hole or penultimate ? (i am 30,6 with the last one) Would my senate have an issue on inserts positions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted July 2, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 Penultimate.Very much doubt that the ski inserts are an issue or if +/- 0.1”would be noticeable. That’s assuming we both have calibrated measures and are both measuring correctly. I wouldn’t worry about it. Perhaps someone with more knowledge will advise you otherwise .There are many people on the forum with much more expertise and skill than me who have already offered effective solutions . Easy option for you to get it exactly where you want it mounted may be as suggested,described and photographed by @Deanoski above. If you cannot get it measured exactly using holes you could “slot the rear holes”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller condorpilot Posted July 2, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted July 2, 2020 @FOB69 also assuming you are measuring the same boot as me ie a Reflex White Cuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller FOB69 Posted July 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 3, 2020 Yes. White cuff boots size 8 and standard G10 front plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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