Baller AdamCord Posted June 11, 2020 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2020 Public Service Announcement It's the time of year when people are starting to ski a lot right when the water temps are changing quickly. This is a PSA to try and save people some headache as their ski that was working well in colder water may start acting strange as the water temps rise. In general warmer water will make your ski shut down faster and get behind you if you had your ski working well in colder water. Or it may be turning well but you're getting too loaded up behind the boat. You will most likely need to make one or more of these adjustments: Fin Forward Fin Shallower Less Wing Boot Back Which you should try will depend on your setup. For instance if you are running a 9 wing, maybe try 8, or if your boots are forward of stock, pull them back, etc. If you aren't sure where to start I'd suggest you move the fin forward and shallower first. Typically small adjustments are required as the water warms up, or if you travel to a new site that has a vastly different water temp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted July 9, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted July 9, 2020 I have never been a proponent of adjustments for water temp, but was starting to struggle about 3 weeks ago (mid June) and decided to try fin fwd. Moved forward 0.020 and the ski came back to life. Then as the water warmed more, I was struggling again and went forward another 0.015 yesterday and again, the ski came back to life. It definitely makes a bigger difference with a very setting finicky ski (Goode) than some others, but still worth a try. Thanks Adam! If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted July 10, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted July 10, 2020 And always remember to mark, know and record the previous or starting point so you can get back to something that worked if new settings do not go as hoped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller customski Posted July 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 25, 2020 @AdamCord Thanks for you recent advice for our current cold water. It certainly helped. The only thing I notice here is you suggesting less wing? I thought with cold water having more drag that cold would require less wing and warmer water would be more angle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibrain Posted July 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 25, 2020 How do skiers typically define “warm water”? In MN we go from mid 40’s (not a lot of skiing at this extreme) to lots of summer skiing in mid 70’s. Occasionally a week of water in the 82-84 range if we’ve had a week of 90 degree air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin1980 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 @SkiJay has a lot of good information about cold vs warm water in his book. Once thing he mentions that we all need to keep in mind is as water warms and cools the main thing that changes is the viscosity, density change is very minor. Warmer water is less viscous than cold water and therefore has less drag. What fin/boot settings to change as the water warms is above my pay grade and a source a much debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul413ski Posted July 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 25, 2020 Waters always cold in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted July 26, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted July 26, 2020 How about adjusting for water depth? If you train in water that’s five feet deep and go to a pond that’s 15 feet deep, or vise versa, that’s a change. I add depth for shallow water or take depth out for deeper water, as necessary. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LOTW Posted July 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2020 I've always had my '17 VAPOR ready for early and late season, I could never get my '18 to work in cold water. Hoping my '20 will do both, time will tell. Cold meaning ice out to ice in EH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dchristman Posted September 18, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 18, 2020 Sadly, it is time to consider returning to the cold water settings in the US Northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 2Valve Posted September 24, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 24, 2020 Sadly, water temps here were 68 last night. Still balmy but not the 89F we had around the 4th of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller AdamCord Posted October 1, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted October 1, 2020 I've had several people ask me what to do now that the water is getting colder. Do the opposite of what's above in the first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller S1Pitts Posted October 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 3, 2020 The info in this thread has allowed me to have the most consistent season I have ever had which in turn has allowed me to make some of the biggest improvements in a single year. Thank You Adam and all the posters for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiDaddle15 Posted October 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 4, 2020 I’ve noticed the past two years my best skiing is late August-early September and then I never ski that well again for the rest of the season. I’m curious if water cooling off is playing a role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted October 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just playing with the wing has been great as the water temp has dropped. Thanks @AdamCord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted October 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 4, 2020 I know...its sad. Our water temps are down to about 80 degrees.....yuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin1980 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 @AdamCord so for cold water? Fin Back Fin Deeper More Wing Boot Forward Still no consensus I see. In this article by @Chris Rossi he says. Fin Back Fin Deeper Less Wing Boot Back Less Length Rossi agrees with fin back and deeper but says less wing and boots back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller APB Posted October 5, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 5, 2020 Water 53 here in sask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cruznski Posted October 6, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 6, 2020 That is more than Brrr. Air temp here has been in the 90s. Will get back with water temp tomorrow after ski time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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