Cheating

[Guest]

I didn’t intend on starting any drama nor was referring to anything I don’t even snow or waterski whatever it is

[MISkier]

I believe that most of the suspected methods of cheating are being handled by technology - GPS speed control, boat path measurement systems, video verification.

 

Multiple officials are used for judging to reduce the opportunity for collusion between officials and athletes. There are conflict of interest rules for certain sanction levels (e.g., no family members driving or judging the skier for class E/L/R).

 

Handles and ropes are verified by technical controllers and designated dock starters.

 

There is an anti-doping policy.

 

Probably the most nebulous area would be driving. A boat driver can drive an "in tolerance" path that really works with the skier and can also drive an "in tolerance" path that is awful for the skier.

[The_untalked_about]

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[MISkier]

I would be really surprised at any sabotage. Someone who attends or competes at a lot of those high-end events would have to comment, though. I'm just not a part of that world.

 

About the only time I can recall hearing about anyone sawing or filing or hammering or drilling on a ski or fin would be the LaPoints - and they were doing it to their own equipment (sometimes between tournament rounds).

[The_untalked_about]

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[The_untalked_about]

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[Mastercrafter]

Odd…

[klindy]

@The_untalked_about

is there a particular incident or event you are inferring that some sabotage occurred? I find your screen name interesting and all 4 posts in this thread. Seems you’re subliminally suggesting you know something.

[Broussard]

@The_untalked_about Seems like you are just trying to stir s**t under an anonymous veil.

 

There are rules in place regarding family members officiating for their kids. Not sure where you are located but this is typically not allowed in the US for Class ELR events.

 

Have there been instances of cheating in our sport? Yes.

Have they been dealt with? Yes. A few individuals have been suspended or banned, others have been put on probation.

[JackQ]

Is the question, has there been or is there? Video, shurepath, speed control, verification of handle length and other rules has greatly reduced the likelihood of cheating.

[thager]

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[ral]

@MISkier and, on driving, Sure-Path and the like are also starting to take care of driver bias (and improving average drivers in the process).

 

 

[Stevie Boy]

I do not think it is that common, but if you Cheat, you Cheat yourself, Respect yourself and others.

Just waiting for a particular name to pop here, but he got dealt with, it was an extraordinarily example of what lengths certain individuals would go to win.

 

[Horton]

@The_untalked_about

Before you post any specifics I need you to add your real name and IWWF member number to your user account. I am always looking to expose any cheating in the sport but will not let anyone do so anonymously.

[DW]

@thager - and nobody noticed the anomaly? Easy solution would have been to stop and do a time history check. All was good unless he/she displaced another skier.

[fu_man]

I find these posts so hard to read. Capitalization, punctuation, and grammar please.

[ral]

@thager , that one can now be averted with Sure-Path, as it records times as well.

[MISkier]

And reports those times directly to WSTIMS.

[ALPJr]

Stinky Bait…

[thager]

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[mike_mapple]

is it the DR?

[Horton]

Besides skiing inside the ball and then pretending to have gone around it, a skier can not easily cheat by themselves.

 

Officials and event organizers can certainly do things to inflate scores if they really want to. I think it happens a lot less today than in years past. I like to think that this web site and other social media platforms have made the sport more transparent. Today if something seems wrong, we are all going to hear about and that is a strong disincentive to those who may otherwise be inclined to bend the rules.

 

[Horton]

Let me add to the above that this is a two-edged sword. I can think of at least one case where someone who was likely well-meaning and honest was thrown under the bus in this forum. Looking back I do not feel good about it.

 

We need to be careful when we point fingers, but we should also be unafraid to speak up when things do not look right.

[lpskier]

I’m not even sure what this discussion is supposed to be about. In fact, I gave the very first post starting this discussion an “off topic.”

[brettmainer]

I once heard of a tower judge who called zero on a perfectly good entrance gate. Same guy takes candy from babies and would rob an old lady. He makes it look like 32mph when he is supposedly skiing 34. Highly suspect to me.

[Stevie Boy]

I do not really understand why , this thread exists, the subject is not current, last season saw some terriffic webcasts and skiing at it,s best, I would rather promote the sport, than throw a negative into the mix, for no good reason.

[MISkier]

@lpskier the posts from the original poster were all edited after many responses were recorded. So, much of it does not make sense now.

[ScottScott]

I would prefer the thread be removed as apposed to all of these meaningless posts that have been edited, leaving those of us late to the party to just sit here scratching our heads. And for someone that hasn't even finished his 1st cup of coffee, I'm REALLY confused.

[Bruce_Butterfield]

Wow. Lots of responses to a clueless troll. Delete the thread and ban the originator.

[Cooper_Trelawney]

Maybe somebody misses Skifly.com? :D

[dave2ball]

I agree that this is a useless thread. There has not been any accusations or for that fact tournaments other then Moomba SOOOOOO what is the relevance of this thread?

[Jody_Seal]

Look here brother! Don't waste your jive on me!!!

[Stevie Boy]

 

 

[skimtb]

 

[wilecoyote]

@skimtb I don't know why I find that so funny, but I just keep laughing, thanks