Baller buoyboy1 Posted May 9, 2023 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2023 Looking to possibly repower my 2005 196 single puck ZO with a new 6.0L. Would like to get some feedback on the pull I can expect. To me the current 5.7 L 330 hp has plenty of power but do have some concerns that the new engine will make it more difficult to get free from the boat. I have skied behind some 200's and felt like the boat was on you the entire time no matter the ZO setting and that boat has a lot more surface area than a 196. Also, what prop should I consider? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted May 9, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) I think if you already have a great running and skiing ZO boat why repower? if your SBC has hi hours, long block base engines are still available through many outlets except Pleasure craft marine. as far as 6.0 in the 196 model. we'll! they ski pretty sweet! use a 668 ACME.... I am finishing up a 196 rebuild and had both a small block Excalibur and a zr6 on crates. I chose thr Excalibur due to the fact I ski 32 mph now, my wife 30 mph, my daughter a small women 2 overall skier and stephen,,,, well he seems to be able to ski behind anything and do well... we just did not need the 6.0 for what we do... I picked up a 89 Master craft that the 6.0 is going in...... more on that project next month... Edited May 9, 2023 by Jody_Seal 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sgregg Posted May 9, 2023 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2023 We repowered our ‘98 Bubble Back with a 6.0L ZO Rev S, ACME 668 and we have a 200 6.0L Rev S in our rotation. Definitely feels like the 200 is “on” you more than the Bubble - guessing the difference in feel may be related to the difference in mass between the two boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted May 9, 2023 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2023 Yes - why not just refresh vs replace your current 5.7? Simple, everything comes out and goes back as original, many more years of great skiing. Why complicate unnecessarily when you already said the pull is fine? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted May 10, 2023 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2023 Really comes down to: what are you trying to accomplish?. Do you feel like you are having the boat “on you” at all times in tournaments? If so, duplicating that feeling with your own boat may be worth it. If not, why make your boat less fun to ski? Like I said, it’s not “what are you trying to do?”, it’s “what are you trying to accomplish”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattCL Posted May 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2023 I had a 6.0/409 put in my '01 Ski Nautique to get zero off. It skis much better with more consistent speed. However, with the ACME 668 the bump at 22off is huge, so I put the 1442 3-blade on it and the 22off bump is much smaller, however I am underpropped to the point it revs up like a jet ski coming out of the hole. Has anyone tried a larger size/pitch 3-blade on this setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted May 18, 2023 Baller Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) Sounds like you have a great boat as is...but I understand the desire to get further down the line. I see your tourney PB is into 39--tougher yet. Go get em! Edited May 18, 2023 by 6balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattCL Posted May 18, 2023 Baller Share Posted May 18, 2023 Dude - If my tourney PB was 39 I wouldn’t even know about the 22off wake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted June 7 Baller Share Posted June 7 On 5/9/2023 at 5:50 AM, Jody_Seal said: I think if you already have a great running and skiing ZO boat why repower? if your SBC has hi hours, long block base engines are still available through many outlets except Pleasure craft marine. as far as 6.0 in the 196 model. we'll! they ski pretty sweet! use a 668 ACME.... I am finishing up a 196 rebuild and had both a small block Excalibur and a zr6 on crates. I chose thr Excalibur due to the fact I ski 32 mph now, my wife 30 mph, my daughter a small women 2 overall skier and stephen,,,, well he seems to be able to ski behind anything and do well... we just did not need the 6.0 for what we do... I picked up a 89 Master craft that the 6.0 is going in...... more on that project next month... Any idea ballpark what a new tranny would cost in a re-powered 196 with a 6.0L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted June 7 Baller_ Share Posted June 7 https://skidim.com/transmission-kit-pcm-gm-80a-1-23-1/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sgregg Posted June 7 Baller Share Posted June 7 https://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Motor_Inboard&postid=69976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted June 7 Baller Share Posted June 7 31 minutes ago, sgregg said: https://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Motor_Inboard&postid=69976 Do you know if that will just drop into a 196? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller markn Posted June 8 Baller Share Posted June 8 @buoyboy1 I have repowered my 2004 limited 196 with another 5.7. Added the series 80 tranny. I ski a lot at Swiss behind the 6.2 Ski Nautique and feel the pull is very similar to my 196. I run C2 on both boats. @ 34 mph. There are a ton of variables to the feel of the pull; driver, ski site depth, rope, accuracy of the course, etc. Know there is a new 343 excaliber on SIA if needed. A 196 ZO boat with an excaliber 5.7 or 6.0 is a heck of a great slalom machine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GaryJanzig Posted Wednesday at 07:20 PM Baller Share Posted Wednesday at 07:20 PM Looking at a Repower for my 1994 Ski Nautique. Engine has a crack in one of the heads, but have a temp fix to get me through the season. The engine is tired. Looking to swap out with a new engine, transmission, and zero off. I see lots of people using the ZR409. Pretty much the same as the ZR4? I will probably hit 2400+ hours by the end of the season. Since my boat is smaller than the new ones, which prop. I have an Acme 540 on it now with the 1:1 transmission. I am going to swap out the whole power train, controls, and zero off too. Which prop should I get with a zr4 and 1.23:1 transmission? I want to keep the rpm’s where they should be. I primarily slalom and trick ,but do a little barefoot too. Local marina will be doing it over the winter. I am in PA. Will I be able to use the same driveshaft? I am thinking I will have to get a different muffler so it can fit under the engine cover. I am going to draw a template this weekend to construct a shim for the engine box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski2000 Posted Wednesday at 08:59 PM Baller Share Posted Wednesday at 08:59 PM Fun project. Pictures on here when I did my 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller storm34 Posted Wednesday at 09:05 PM Baller Share Posted Wednesday at 09:05 PM If helpful, here's my write up on our 01SN repower. CCFan Repower 540 will work but likely hit the rev limiter. Send your 540 to ACME and add more pitch or buy a 422. I ran the 540 for about a week then picked up a 422 from Skip. Same driveshaft will most likely work. No issues for us going from a gt40/40a transmission to 409/80a. Good time to switch to dual taper if not. Engine cover is an easy project. C&S had a carpet that matched our original equipment. I kept our shim seperate from the engine cover so I didn't have to mess with fiberglass work and replacing engine cover carpet. Tim White with Inboard Solutions in Montgomery County, Alabama was a great resource for us and gave me a few engine options. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sgregg Posted Wednesday at 09:18 PM Baller Share Posted Wednesday at 09:18 PM My understanding is the pre-98 engine box has more fit issues with the 6.0 than the later model engine boxes. Skip has some 5.7’s listed on SIA that will likely be an easier fit with the 94 engine box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GaryJanzig Posted Thursday at 02:04 AM Baller Share Posted Thursday at 02:04 AM I measured the inside of my engine box and the zr409 should fit based on the measurements I got off a spec sheet. I will have to get a different muffler to free up the space under the engine box.. Saw the post on CCfan and am looking to build a similar shim out of composite. A friend knows a company that does 3d printing. I will check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted Thursday at 12:53 PM Baller Share Posted Thursday at 12:53 PM When you all did the repower - how did you remove the fuel tank? Any tricks to be aware of? Thinking when my engine is done I too will be doing a repower. Might need to pick up an engine and tranny and mothball it until I need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller storm34 Posted Thursday at 02:03 PM Baller Share Posted Thursday at 02:03 PM No need to remove the fuel tank on my repower. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski2000 Posted Thursday at 05:50 PM Baller Share Posted Thursday at 05:50 PM I did pull the fuel tank to run new fuel lines and clean out 20 years of junk from the back. The brackets are a bit of a hassle to get on off but once they are free and out, you can get back and disconnect the fuel fill line and the vent line, it’s also a good time to take care of your ruder and a new steering cable as it’s easy to reach with everything out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted Thursday at 06:57 PM Baller_ Share Posted Thursday at 06:57 PM just did a 95 sport Nautique, went through ever nut and bolt fuel tank had 4 years of hurricane gas in it at tear down. new fuel supply, anti siphon, new filtration system as well as tank tear down clean and flush, thought i would pass on if you are remotely considering a repower i would get with the program as these are and will be obsolete soon in many cases. there are few non cat packages available but they will soon be depleted. repair parts will be around for a while, however with GM changing their industrial and truck platforms more often even the direct inject platform will be superseded.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted Friday at 01:12 PM Baller Share Posted Friday at 01:12 PM Hey @Jody_Seal I’d like to learn more. Was discussing this with the other half and I got the go ahead to look into it more seriously. Budgetary review and the like. Plus what all I will need to do to make it work. @storm34 - I found your journey on CCFan. Sounds like a fun project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted Friday at 01:19 PM Baller_ Share Posted Friday at 01:19 PM 6 minutes ago, Skoot1123 said: Hey @Jody_Seal I’d like to learn more. Was discussing this with the other half and I got the go ahead to look into it more seriously. Budgetary review and the like. Plus what all I will need to do to make it work. @storm34 - I found your journey on CCFan. Sounds like a fun project. sure, PM me we can go over the build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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