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10 years on approach, last year I changed ski to V-type R (from Monza) but not the boots (not too much at once). Yesterday I put on Radar Vapor's (double boots). 2 sets and skied immediately better at all runs ! Far more feel, angel and control. For me perfect transition.......just take you time to perfectly match your current boot setup (took me 2 hours off fiddling, measuring, tape, etc.....). So I matched the Approach bindings setup as close as possible.

you can screw them directly to the ski, but lots of systems have the neck washer to allow the ski to flex at the boot. Fixing it with 6 screws means the ski has far less flex at the full length of the plate. So you might as well buy a cheap ski.

LINK I have 2 plates (2016 radar vapor boots). Need the mounting instructions for the front plate. Got the boot new with front plate, but without the 4 threaded neck washers. In my opinion you need these to allow the ski to flex. The dealer keeps telling me: no just screw directly to the ski !

not that difficult..... depending on the size of the lake (small lake simple set will do). Wifi can go miles....but then the equipment gets expensive (mile or more and moving....$$$). Used 2x enginus ecb9500 (older set I had laying around) with standard antenna's, larger antenna's will get you more coverage. Nice thing about lakes..... almost no reflection !

...... just tested a WIFI lan to the boat on our ski lake......mounted a 2 megapixel camera (on swivel) and now we can watch (on 55"tv) and record the passes from the shore.....(wireless analog we already had working). Once we finalize the setup I will post some video's.

@wish 2006-2007 for most (but not all already had ZO from factory......so you need to check if possible, you might need more modifications!)

Response LX (2006), throttle by wire with z-box: almost the same as ZO.... really nice (already a few years skiing with it). Buddy: SN 196 from 2003: cable.....due to cable a bit less responsive, but still very good. Settle down is a lot slower ...... so for short setup....you have to test ! Ski behind these boats and 2 x SN200, both with ZO (single and dual puck). So can compare.

I never look at the speedo... only at the result at the end: ok or not ? You can get detailed course timings per section after the run. View Timing Recap Information in the manual (not speed but seconds per ball).

haha.....i bought the V-type r and put the old approach bindings on it......and she said.... the colors do not match !

@LeonL ..... there are differences (hull, power, etc .....) and you do feel it. But we feel: the same boat ZO or z-box..... pretty small difference (but yes it's there). All other PP systems.... I agree fully: big difference with ZO. @thager ZO on cable !.... how did you do that ? REALLY intersting to know......lot's of people install PP because they have cable throttle and think that's the only option. And if I have to choose: ZO (just because it's the competition standard).

the graphs are indeed indicational. PP has 3 (in general) versions: - classic (magnet timing and optional switch), the ONE line display - stargazer (magnet or GPS), multi line display - Stargazer + Z-box (GPS, no magnets, ZO simulation, with accelerometer) --> this is the one I compare with ZO ! Then, throttle: cable or wire: - Z-Box with drive by wire is as responsive as ZO (z-box with cable is not) - Drive by wire also means: fuel injected engine (far more responsive than carburator) - Any cable throttle is just slower (always) - This means approx. a 2006/2007 or later model boat (throttle-by-wire got introduced during these years) ZO is only available on drive by wire boats. (no retrofit on cable throttle) Upgrade or not: With Cable throttle: - you have one option: PP Wire throttle: With PP already installed and multiline display. - z-box is plug and play (DIY-15 minutes) and far less expensive - PP has excellent support - or replace with ZO, more expensive to buy, more expensive to install (no DIY) - CHECK with your dealer if it works on your boat and engine (mine needed a NEW engine cable loom) - ZO is 99% factory installed and their support.....lets say it took me a "while" to find out if and how it could be installed in my boat. Nothing installed: - Both PP z-box and ZO would work (but ZO with installation is far more expensive than PP z-box). AND for ZO CHECK if at all possible in your boat.

@LeonL .... sorry but disagree...... you are correct "classic" or stargazer PP is no match with ZO. Z-box is (several guys here ski short lines ... 12m and shorter behind both system, 3 different boats).......almost no difference. Power off the boat, model, etc (let's say after year 2000 or so) ..... does not matter..... good ski-boats are all powerfull enough, wakes all flat (on real slalom boats). But needs to be setup correctly and then they all operate the same: just look at the full course timing figures after the run......you might need small adjustments to your PP z-box setup. To give you an example: i have an 2006 LX, friend a "not so well" maintained LXI with z-box. First difference is the hull (you feel the difference), then his power is rubish (not firm). So I do not ski behind his boat......my LX close to the SN 200 (200 wakes are slightly better at short lines). So a modern close to "stock" (so still enough power) boat setup correctly will work fine for most (unless you are into 10,25m or so). Line: old or new.....!? Drivers..... YES ! (some drive like they are drunk) p.s. who uses A settings ? (never understood A...... pulling after the wake !)

http://www.schnitzskis.com/images/626_Daves_ZO_Chart_A.jpg Above is zero off...... classic (stargazer) PP is like B1-B2: so in the middle, buit a bit longer (starts earlier and ends later). Did ski behind stargazer as well......more easy (you think) .... once used to ZO or z-box....far better. PP with Z-box (i ski behind both ZO and Z-box), if setup correctly..... almost the same as ZO (I am on C1.... so early pull right after the bouy). A,B,C: the moment 1,2,3: intensity http://www.schnitzskis.com/images/926_stargazer_settings.jpg

thx...will check again (on the zero off I did not see it in practice mode). But good to know it keeps it's setting. p.s. what version or year is your zero off (maybe that also makes a difference) ?

Question: pratice mode Yesterday on ZO: the A,B, C is gone ! It feels different (I ski C and feels like B ). Anybody knows what happens to these settings when in pratice mode ?