DynaSkiPete

I used to change my own vehicle oil. The Ford Quick Lanes do it so cheap and they check a whole bunch of things and top off other fluids along with a tire rotate. SO I quit messing with saving very little money and having to dispose of the old oil and filters. I suppose this is somewhat of a do it yourself group? So do you that have to all winterize your boats too? Ever had a block crack?

Who wears shoes at the lake and skiing? I wonder if weather tech would make mats that might work?

What does a dealer charge? The dealers I know have insurance in case of a damaged motor come spring. What do you owners think?

Thanks. Now I'm curious what the procedure is for wintering an inboard? I just push a button and my Evinrude winterizes itself. Only have to make sure the water all drains out of the motor. Very simple. Come spring, top off the battery and turn the key. Sometimes I disconnect the battery for the winter.

Just use the boat. Wear and tear on the carpet is the least of your worries about resale. Make an effort to not let the carpet and interior get to dirty before teaching the kids or wife to vacuum it out well. Yes I am kidding a little. My glued in carpet still looks great in my 1987 outboard. I wish it was a different color though as it shows all the dirt.

So you change the oil at the end of the season only?

Where does one find buoys? Seriously.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks if you can confirm it is there and give me information about how to get to it (I don't know the area) along with contact info for a local club or person that we should ask to use the course that would be fantastic.

Thanks for the measurements and thoughts on the platforms. I will put the numbers to use. The old style Hydrodyne hulls 19' 4" (actual) are similar in hull shape but not the skinny 6' wide & 18' (17' 9" actual) long real old ones. The additional 9" that was added to the hull to make it legal for unlimited horsepower (20' 1") changed the boat characteristics a bunch. Floats way higher. Handles much better. Planes more gradual. No teeter tottering. Balanced the boat well actually. The old Hydrodyne boats with hulls 19' 4" (actual) were rated by the US Coast Guard at 285 hp. So the old style boats with three motors are not legal. I wonder why insurance companies cover old over powered boats? USA Water Ski is crazy to not be concerned. They must be aware. Lawsuits waiting to happen it would seem. I will talk with my buddy that has G2 twins on a new style Dyna-Ski to see where the closet course is to Beaver Dam, WI. Any one know? One of their drivers may be willing to run some of you thru the course behind a twin or triple this summer. Would be interesting I suspect. Maybe eye opening?

Any idea of what a inboard dealer would charge for this diagnosis and repair? An outboard motor dealer would sell you a new motor and in a couple hours it would be done with a new 4 to 10 year warranty on the motor. Pretty simple really.

I'm not trying to tap into this market. Just gathering information. Some of which is very good. I still wish someone would give me actual measurements of the area they feel they need to put on a double boot slalom ski. No one I know even owns one. The pictures are great but I have no scale to determine accurately what is needed. Sorry. Please. All boats are currently "hand driven". There is a person behind the wheel hopefully. Thanks to VONMAN for jumping into the conversations. I know there are people out there that have made Perfect Pass work on outboards. Perfect Pass (the company) has not been willing in the past to do anything other than sell me their products. No promises and no help. No boat manufacturer wants to modify any other manufacturers products (outboard motors) during product assembly and then have to service the stuff and warranty it or void the motor warranty. Consumers can do what the want and assume the risks. Inboard dealers don't want to be outboard resellers, provide service and have to share the profits. It costs the dealers to much to be a motor dealer in this manner. What sucks is the technology is in the outboard motors and their control systems already. It would not be a mechanical system like in the past. All the motor manufacturers need to do is write the control software. On a NEMA 2000 buss system there can be GPS, Paddle Wheel and Pitot tube speed available. All three at the same time can be there. The motor computer knows everything about all the motor parameters. Speed bumping up and down can be done at the touch of a button. The button on the right is RPM bump. Middle button is in and out of gear. Left button is start and stop. This option can be had with one to five motors all on one button. So there is all the data to make it work in the system of ETec, G2 and Mercury Four strokes. If all of the people on this group contacted Evinrude telling them it is needed, they would spend the money. Mercury would tell you they have it already if you talk with the right person. Why they have never promoted this I'll never know or understand. Thinking anyone can slow down 600 hp in a straight line is wild. No offense but I'm not ever likely to take a boat to people to test their theory. The show ski clubs of the world would love to have a skier show up and ask to ski behind a twin or triple to see how it holds speed and tracks. You might learn something. Imagine the improvement in jump distances if the boat did not slow down? Might pull the jumpers over?

Heh heh heh it is funny how a person will take one experience and use that to apply it to every boat and motor. Dyna-Ski Boats hold steady speeds from slow no wake to WOT. The Dyna-Ski hull design does not have the on plane off plane characteristics of many I/O's and outboard powered barefoot boats. The barefoot boats do have a better wake for bare footing but the cost of this is the on/off plane issues and others. When was the last "new" outboard barefoot boat designed and sold? Outboard motor technologist has improved by leaps and bounds since then. Please understand that a semi planning hull is not an efficient design compared to a planning hull. As for fuel consumption. Ski Teams that I get information from tell me their inboards suck gas like no tomorrow which is why they have big gas tanks while the modern outboards sip fuel. With the outboards pulling the big acts. Personally I use about two gallons of fuel per hour skiing unless we are bare footing a lot. Then I may run thru 4 gallons per hour. We seldom shut the boat off since the fuel used is so much less than even 5 years ago. Outboards get there best fuel economy below 4000 RPM's. Seldom do I hit 4000 RPM's. Wake of a 17.6 Open Bow at 40 mph. Wake of a 20' Open Bow at 40 mph.

Sweet. More input is great. You cannot compare the old Hydrodynes with old outboards or even new ones and new style Dyna-Ski boats just like you can't or should not an old inboard to a new inboard. Hydrodyne stopped making outboards in 1990 or so. Almost 30 years ago! A 300 hp outboard is way more powerful than a 300 hp inboard. The outboards are rated at the prop not the crank like inboard motors. Big selection of outboard props available and they are easy to change. While I've been tempted to shake up the world of three event skiing, USA Water Ski has made it crazy with their financial requirements to have boats tested and approved. Besides they would crap if I showed up with twin or triple any size motors. No one would know how to drive it. Punching the throttles wide open is not for the faint of heart. It is dangerous. People can fly out of the boat easily. With power assist hydraulic steering even a three motored boat drives with one finger. I've driven a slalom course as have most of my show ski boat driving experts at some point in their lives. My lake no longer has one. No interest it seems. Since the GPS Speedometers I typically use read in tenths of a mph it is easy to see deviation in speeds. Did you know that the depth of water affects the speed slightly? If the boat has enough power there will be no need for throttle changes. Think about this concept. Only have to steer the boat. What is sad is that inboard boats have at least a 50% margin on them. It may be greater, I have not run the numbers for a few years. Not to mention the high prices for parts and service. I have a buddy that pays to summarize and winterize his inboard. Crazy? One brand of outboards is self winterizing. No cost. Push a button. As many times a year as you want to. No service needed for 3 to 5 years depending on the brand. Warranties of up to ten years on outboard motors. 10 years! The prejudice is partly because no one will admit they paid to much for something or that what they now own isn't better than the old boat they replaced let alone a lowly cheaper outboard. I get that. Nothing I can say or do will ever change that. What did I miss addressing?

WOW seems like a lot of screwing around.

I am willing to back up my facts thager. I'm willing to wager no one can slow down twin 300's on a Dyna-Ski. No one! I don't want to convert anyone. There is no need. If a person's mind is closed, they are not learning anything new. Like the time my buddy with his new inboard was trying to pull four barefooters and failed on numerous attempts. I pulled them fairly easily with my 17.6 and 150. Faster that they needed to go. He learned something new. I may be able to borrow a boat with twins. Any takers?

Hydraulic steering is a must on everything except a 75 or 90 outboard. I know a lot about putting Perfect Pass on an outboard. A lot of work and fabricating. They make an outboard model of Perfect Pass. Greg Hind from down under is the expert. I'm hoping I get to spend some time with the Mercury Smart Tow system which is supposed to be slick that we are putting on a new 20' Open Bow with a 200 hp. V-6 Mercury four stroke. Since Mercury has had it for several years I'm wondering if I'm the only one that knows about it? My tow boat driving friends laugh at the idea of Perfect Pass. They will tell you a good driver does not need it and is better than it is because they can think. It cannot not.

Now I'll need a boat to use. Speed control does not exist on any boat we have built so far. The outboard manufactures don't take water skiers seriously so they spend no R & D money on us. Not a big enough market like there is for pontoons and fishing boats. Hmmmm?

A used Dyna-Ski (real one) is very rare. I listed one for a fellow on Ski It Again. I have niot heard if it has sold.

Are there any ski lakes in northeastern Wisconsin?

Do you need to refuel the boats or is the empty gas tank mean time to sell and buy? :D

Premium can be old gas too. Buying from a busy station is a great idea. However when they are delivering the bottom of the tank can be stirred up. My brother in law had to pull his boat gas tank to empty it of crap when this happened to him. He had bought premium. Station gave him a full tank of new gas afterwards. They were sorry. OOPS!

Don't forget the part about the rest of the fuel system. Ethanol fuel has caused many older big boat and ships to have to replace their fuel systems from deterioration. OUCH!

Almost anything can be done with custom built boats. It just takes time and costs money. I have had requests for 20' Open Bows with twin motors but never built one yet. It can be done. We have toyed with building a 20' Closed Bow with a single motor well for recreational skiers. Hydrodyne built a lot of them and some were AWSA Certifited Tow boats way back when. Mid 1980's or so. Storage area could be made as big or small as a person wants. I found a couple pictures of a 20' Open Bow with wrap around seats for a customer that wanted to replace his inboard. We have never built a 20' Closed Bow with a full interior yet as most of these go to ski teams with 3 motors. Customer added a tower and electronic shift and throttle. Not sure if I have good pictures of it with the tower.

It isn't an "option". Actually the 20' Barefooter is the 20' Open Bow without the sun deck. Nothing else is different just no sun deck. Ski teams stand the boat on its tail to entertain the crowd. Not suggested by me or the outboard motor makers. Drivers have fallen out. Motors have been damaged. Crazy?