MitchellM

20 sets is your break even point for those debating between the two plans.  Please keep us posted about how busy you get down there.  Great to see this option.

I'm seriously considering the Flow Point Method off season training program.  Looks like a combination of strength training, mobility and stretching geared towards skiers.

I'm a rower.  Typically 150km/month on the machine.  It's very important to train opposing muscle groups when we do one activity on a regular basis.

This is great!  Can you give us your exact location/address?  Can you spin on one side or do you need to drop on both ends?

Have you considered a family plan rate for membership?

I think your $40/set rate for non-members is too low.

Finally have my own boat.  I plan on becoming a better boat driver and learning about boat maintenance.  I also need to figure out how this old Perfect Pass works.

4 hours ago, o2bnMaine said:

@MitchellM I can't wait to see a course on that lake!! 🙂

@o2bnMaine I hope the state DEP lets me put this course in.  JT has my blocks ready to go.  The state has been asking for some absurd information that I cannot provide.  Things like benthic surveys, type of fill used, water quality mitigation,...  It's maddening.

Greeted by this view from the dock.  Lake water was 65 degrees.

12 hours ago, LarryG said:

THANKS @MitchellM ...  That issue is FIXED as of late Wed night so PLEASE give it another try!

Had to do with a function that used to just kick off a warning under the previous PHP version but now is a fatal error!  Had to make it play well with the latest PHP version.

LarryG@SIA

Fixed and working great now.  Thanks!

Santa bought me a lake house.  Here was the view on Christmas morning.

@LarryG I used to be able to sort by date which is very useful.  Now when I click on "post date" I get an error message "page not available".   This is a necessary feature when combing through listings.

On 12/7/2023 at 2:03 PM, o2bnMaine said:

Hey @MitchellM. I did the permit process in Winter Haven 5~ years ago. It wasn't as bad as I expected. They guy was very helpful. I think I had it all done in 3 months. 

I can send you a copy of my completed application so you can see what I was required to do. Hopefully, the process hasn't changed too much. Send me a PM if you want a copy.

Bill, thanks for sending me your completed application.  It was very helpful.  I'm encouraged that your process only took 3 months.  After seeing  what you submitted, I submitted my own photoshopped aerial view for my course.

13 hours ago, Ronny61 said:

Here is a nice one with same low hours for 25k…although it is basically naked I think this is what someone gets for that price, the loaded up one will cost more for obvious reasons 

 

https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2001-malibu-sunsetter-lxi-9088910/

 

That boat is at a dealer which usually means a bit of a premium.  Plus it looks like it's been on the market for a while with no takers.  Obviously not priced competively.  It is a clean, low hours boat, but it is 23 years old and likely worth around $20k.

This is a great example of someone who values all of the extras and unique features of their own boat, but will have to realize that they don't actually translate to dollars when selling.  Sure, he gets some dollars for low hours and nice interior, but this is still a 2000 LXi.  I just purchased a 2005 LXi in good condition with 500 hours for $25k

On 12/3/2023 at 9:59 AM, lpskier said:

I submitted a permit application for a jump on public water in February 2014 in New York. I am still waiting for a decision. I’ll probably get it since I sold my  NY lake house and moved the jump to South Carolina…

Well, the state DEP just responded to my application.  Apparently this process will take anywhere between 3-12 months.  I am already starting to regret going through proper channels.

7 hours ago, lpskier said:

I submitted a permit application for a jump on public water in February 2014 in New York. I am still waiting for a decision. I’ll probably get it since I sold my  NY lake house and moved the jump to South Carolina…

That's the concern about going through proper channels.  I'm not really sure how long this process will take.  I gather most courses are put in without permits.

20 hours ago, jjfresh said:

Well to get it back on track, have you head back from anyone in Florida regarding the placement of the course? 

Yes, I actually heard back from someone at the Florida DEP last week.  She actually seemed excited because the request for a slalom course permit was very unusual and required some investigation.  I am in the process of completing the application.  Jon Travers was out on site yesterday and we have agreed on the location.  Hopefully the permitting process will go smoothly.

1 hour ago, ScottScott said:

@lpskier yes to the gator pass.  Includes a little trolling by the Lilly pads at end of course.

 

Good thing reactions aren't allowed in this thread. There'd be a lot of off topics being thrown around.  Sorry @MitchellM

@ScottScott yes, this thread did take an ugly turn.

Here I've just been worried about getting around one ball.

27 minutes ago, ScottScott said:

For me, 10' is pretty minimum for any slalom course in Fl. If I am replacing buoys, or when I fall, I like the thought that my feet dangling below are at least a couple feet above the gator sleeping on the bottom.

I'll keep that in mind!

Installed the PTM VR-140 this weekend.  What an incredible view!  My frugal wife was very skeptical when she heard the price, but when she pulled me around she was convinced.  "Great Mirror!"

16 minutes ago, Cnewbert said:

@H2Oski17 I'm curious about your statement that a 10' lake depth is almost perfect for a submersible course.  Some friends and myself are planning to install a submersible course on our public lake, and water depth has been a topic of discussion.  The consensus is that 10' would be marginal at best, and wouldn't allow for any significant drop in the lake level.  Our thinking goes like this:  we'd want the mainline, diamonds, and PVC arms 5' below the surface when the course is raised.  When submerged we'd want the buoys a minimum of 5' deep.  So even if the sand ballast bags were secured directly to the PVC arms and not hanging on lines beneath them, we'd need a full 10' of water to sink the course properly, and at a 10' water depth the mainline and arms would be resting on the lake bottom itself, likely in weeds which are abundant in FL lakes.  As well, there would be no margin for error should the lake level go down.  Ideally however, we'd like the buoys 6' deep when submerged. We want enough depth below the arms to allow the sand ballast hang lines to be adjusted individually for variations in depth that will certainly occur in any natural lake, and so the arms and mainline float above the bottom and above any weeds when the course is submerged.  Our thinking is 15' depth is the minimum we'd look for.  I'd be grateful for your thoughts on this.

Interesting discussion.  Have you checked the depth of the lake where you plan on putting in the course?  I mentioned 10 feet as the average depth of my lake, but what does that actually mean?  We are going to survey the actual depth where we are planning to put the course in later this week.

For all the money we spend on this sport, I'm amazed when people will go cheap on something like a rope.

18 hours ago, Zman said:

@MitchellM

 

Good luck with getting your course in. I lived across I4 on Lake Tennessee for 7 years in the 90s.

Would love to have another lake to get a set in when in Polk Co visiting old friends!

I used to love watching Kermit Weeks and a few of his friends flying around with their vintage aircraft while sitting by our pool. The restaurant (open any more?) at Fantasy of Flight was a favorite breakfast place for us.

Let me know when you're in town.  I'd be happy to give you a pull.

Looks like Jon Travers will be putting a course in for me shortly!

7 hours ago, skierjp said:

@Mitchellm Traveling west towards Tampa there was a course on the west side going north and south. FYI, Kermit who owners Fantasy of Flight skis. A few years ago he was restoring a MasterCraft. 

Interesting!  I did not know Mr. Weeks was a skier.  I may need to invite him out for a spin.

On 11/14/2023 at 7:45 PM, MitchellM said:

Interesting link.  The VR-140 mirror and ZXR-300 bracket are $544 direct from PTM but only $390 when bought separately from NVN Marine.

Another BOS win!

Arrived in 2 days with free shipping!  Can't wait to put this on my boat.

7 hours ago, skierjp said:

@MitchellM If you go with a floating course only use a Accufloat. Insta courses won’t hold up. That lake can get extremely windy. If you put a floating course in and you run into trouble with fisherman or property owners your chances of getting a permit are slim. If done correctly I have never known of a course permit that was denied. Usually in Florida you want to be on the east shore going north and south.If the lake is heavily fished and has a public ramp which it does, a floating course might not be the way to go. Just remember, if you go the  cheap route you will regret it when it comes time for maintenance and repairs. I have 2 surveyed courses and  2 Suyderhound Accufloat courses. There is a gentleman by the name of Chester Trump that has lived on that lake for a long time he can probably give you some insight. I believe his sons were wakeboarders. 

Thanks for the insight.  Someone here gave me the contact information for Lee Trump who is Chester's son.

Seems to me that the northeastern shore of the lake would be well suited for a course.  Just along the area owned by Fantasy in Flight.  I am told there was a course in that location years ago along with a second course in the cove where my house is located.

I'll be meeting with Jon Travers to hear his advice and recommendations.  I have contacted the state to get the permit process started as advised by Polk County officials.