Water is just tempurture challenged snow ? The proof of this is as follows. I was once asked where does the white in the snow go when it melts, After a moment of thought I replied " to the bottom of the lakes and rivers and when the wind blows it comes back up to the surface, hence White Caps and once your lake freezes its white again. So logically water is tempurture challenged snow. http://www.ballofspray.com/vanillaforum/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif Other than that they have nothing in common. Now wakeboarders and Snowboarders, well dont get me started on that one.