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Being Canadian, I'll throw in a vote for Whistler Blackcomb. Huge, epic and already loaded with snow. They have already received about 18' of snow so far.

Hey Chef I feel ya- I also have a daughter that is a competitive figure skater and a son who plays AAA hockey. Lots and lots of time spent in rinks.

1993 Mastercraft Prostar 190 with 310 hp LT-1

@AB That, is a solid reponse! "Shirley" it can...

***1. Thou shalt not complain about they wife's driving.*** How do you do that ?! ;-)

@mr_pretzel Jets have terrible hole shots and the power doesn't come on in a linear fashion. At first the jet pump feels like a slipping prop, then the pump spools up and it takes off They also track really poorly. Outboards are way better.

Jet boats basically suck for waterskiing.

Mastercraft Barefoot 2000 is an outboard that also happens to be really good slalom boat. They are only available used. and can be hard to find but they are out there. Outboards deal with salt much better than inboards.

It seems that being square to the boat is what allows his ski to move from in between the handle and the boat out to the edge change without having to rotate his upper body. In an old school closed position, this would happen later because the rope would force you to rotate your upper body at the end of your long pull. Nate is done with his pulling phase so early that he probably couldn't rotate his upper body in time to facilitate the edge change, if he was closed to the boat. It no doubt helps that he appears to be made of rubber. He has no problem having his ski point one way and his torso another...my back would break - lol

New Boss same as the old Boss!

I would guess that the move ultimately promotes a quicker turn by (pre) loading the tip...the sooner the turn is completed the sooner he can start accelerating. If it does 'load the tip" for the turn, maybe it allows him to set-up the ski with less tip than he would otherwise need...allowing for faster cross course speed?????

That's too bad. I could see why he would want to sell for redevelopment, but if that's not available he may soften over a lease arrangement. I hope that this works out for you guys.

Should try to work out a lease arrangement with the guy and operate as a non-profit club. Better deal for the guy than having it just sit there.

I wonder if entering the turn with a low rope encourages a finish where the body is lower so that there is a lower lean away from the boat almost immediately after the turn is completed? I notice in the videos of Nate that he establishes a huge amount of lean away from the boat and he does it exceptionally early.

I do think that there is a lot that a long liner can take from Seth's video, and it isn't where the edge change takes place. I agree with those that said you can't just do what Seth is doing. I think what can be gleened from the video, is just how easy the correct body position (after the turn) makes getting across the course. I am always amazed at how hard, fast and ineffective many long liners are. There are plenty of strong, hard turning, waterskiers who work extra hard but struggle with 15 and 22 off. Getting the hips/handle to the correct spot after the turn, getting stacked and having arms extended and close to the body. Establishing lean away from the boat etc. My take on it, is that the more lean away from the boat after the hook up, the earlier the edge change will naturally occur. In the end, the long liner will be doing this all later than Seth, but they could (with good instruction) emulate good body position, handle control and lean. After all, they don't have to ski as well as Seth to get through 15 off.

You have to lose the jet boats. They are simply horrible for kids to learn on. Frankly, most kids would do better behind an outboard if the camp can't afford an inboard. Jets surge just as the kids are at the critical moment in getting up. My brother has a jet boat and my nephew, who is both strong and athletic for his age, struggled mightily getting up behind that boat. Once I had him try on my Mastercraft he got up right away. Push for different boats. Almost anything is better than a jet.

@454SS that vintage of Prostar 190 has as good a wake as has ever existed. If it's windy and you are shorter than 35 off there are spray issues.

True But, not all engines can be converted and if the one in his boat has 3000 hours he needs either a full overhaul or new engine.

I think it depends upon how good the hull is. Let's say that the hull was great. A new interior is around $3,000 or so. Guessing that the new zero off engine will run you around 10,000. (Check with Jody) So you would have something like $18 000 into it. Now it looks like that year goes for around $14,000, but that would be without zero off and typically an old interior. Fixing the holes from the tower is no big deal. If you don't want to do it yourself, it should cost you less than what you could sell the tower for. So if its what you want it would turn out great and would be a completely dependable pull. If you do it - WE WANT PICTURES!!!

Bought a 1993 Mastercraft Prostar 190 with an LT1 and a trailer 9 years ago. It has been a fantastic boat. I have since redone the interior, but other than that just regular maintenance. Paid $10,000 for it and doubt that I'll ever sell it.

When your buddy picks up the boat gas :-)

What weight range and speed would that suit?

Have friends who use one of those neoprene floats for boat key chains tied to the strap on their glasses. At least they don't sink.

I think weight does matter, but I think of it differently. First of all, when the ski "swings" in the turn, it is actually carving, the shape of the ski is pushing against the water and the water is pushing against the ski. This is quite different than of you were swinging around a pole with the ski in the air. Second, I think when the edge change happens there is a moment of unweighting. At this moment I think ski weight makes a big difference. Anyhow, seems most of is think light is good.

Holy !! Nice skiing John!!!!