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@sheskis7 I would put you on a 65.

 

@C5Quest I would say you need a 65 as well. 65 will definitely be more nimble as the rope gets shorter. Unfortunately we don't do the Pro in a 65 currently.

@KRoundy it is definitely situational. There are times when I recommend a 210 lb. skier a 69 but in this instance I felt the 67 was better suited. It's not all about weight but also, height, skill and what ski you were on prior.

 

We actually still make a 71" Lithium Senate by the way but I would get down a few lbs and get a 69" Senate Pro!

Hey @addkerr, PMI is a closed cell foam so it can’t absorb water, however it does seem something odd is happening to that ski. Hard to tell from those photos though. Will you shoot me an email, brooks@squareoneco.com?

Hey @foxriverat, at 5'6" 165, I would definitely put you on a 65" for sure and at that speed I would think the 65" Lithium Senate is the ski for you.

 

As far as riding your 67 don't be afraid to go to like .795 from tail and move the boots forward another hole or two.

@OKSkier I think the additional surface are will allow you to carry speed easier and move through the turn with better balance. One of the guys that picked one up at Nationals has said the biggest thing for him is he feels like the ski is working with him better than his 68" Vapor and helping his consistency.

@OKSkier I would go 67.

You're using double toe pieces? I guess go center holes?

 

@"Mateo Vargas" I would start at 6.960 2.465 .775 9° 30.5”

@KRoundy we have had 69.5” Vapors for a while now, that ski is being built at the barn today actually!

The NFC chips allow you to scan them with your phone and they will talk you to a product page with details on the ski, tech information, size charts and fin settings. Not fully applicable to most on this site that access that kind of info but very cool for those walking into a shop with little info and hoping to learn more. We’re just tapping into this technology and hoping to utilize it more in coming years.

Hey @skigirl00, would love to get you on a Radar, email me at brooks@squareoneco.com and we can talk about what may be best for you!

Bummer @A_B! Sounds like you may be in touch with Warranty but reach out if you need assistance. Thanks

@Justin_C the new liners will fit.

Hey @Ripfish, sorry to hear your having an issue. We don’t see this happen very often but shoot me an email and we can get you sorted. Like @wac mentioned this problem arises due to moisture so even if you store your boots in a bag and under the seat the moisture/dampness is what’s causing the brittleness. If you let your stuff dry fully then it won’t happen. Regardless shoot me an email, brooks@squareoneco.com. Thanks

@ALPJr they are designed to go inside the liner.

Hey @C5Quest we use the Carbon Sequence Plate which gives you micro adustibility. Our Standard Sequence plate also offers 1/8” adjustemnts. Email me, brooks@squareoneco.com, if you need help getting dialed on the ski.

@ntx yes, they will!

Hey Mike, the boat in those photos was @theboardingschool's boat and we have one very similar up here in WA, Black top instead of blue in the nose, both are available if you're interested, just call me this week.

@RAWSki The Lyric and Senate are the same shape and come out of the same mold, they just have different guts on the inside.

Hey Dug!

 

I think the number one thing you fell in love with is the shape! The Senate shape is truly what makes it special and it’s the same shape no matter the construction. While the Lithium is surely faster and more responsive I think you would be making a significant upgrade and it will keep you improving at a rapid rate! Let me know if you have more questions. Thanks

@Dacon62 you have it right, the 17 to 18 is just a cosmetic change. Thanks

Hey guys,we released a completely new shape in model year 2018. You are comparing a 2017 to a 2018. See the attached PDF for the new improvements we made. Thanks

@rockdog I've skied that spot!! Love it there in Bundalong, get her a 63" Radar TRA, she'll love it!

Hey @bigskieridaho we say around the office that the only thing that stayed the same is the name. The Rocker Line, Concave, Flat Spot and Bevels are all different on the 2018 Vapor. We redesigned it with the intention of creating a more fluid and level ski and I really think the '18 is the best ski on the market. With all that said our starting point for the rebuild was a 2017 Vapor so while it is a redesign you will feel similarities between the two and until the 18 was released our 17 was the highest selling ski we had released and has many many satisfied skiers around the world. Many people have loved the upgrade from 17 to 18 and I think that's why you see a lot of 17's available but if you can't make the upgrade all the way to an 18 I think you will be thoroughly impressed with a 17. I have attached a PDF outlining some of the new features on our 18. Hope that helps, let me know if you have more questions.

@MuskokaKy You are correct in the way we make skis. Anything with the Vapor name comes out of the same mold and has the same shape, the only difference is the core materials on the inside, Same is true with the Senate. All Radar Skis use 100% Carbon fiber meaning no fiberglass which makes them lighter and more reactive. The difference is the core itself and the stiffness. Our ProBuild utilizes a PMI foam which is the lightest and most responsive foam on the market. Lithium Construction uses a PVC Core, Graphite uses a Polyurethane Core and Alloy a Hybrid of Polyurethane and wood stringers. The biggest difference you'll feel as a consumer is responsiveness. The PMI will be the most responsive meaning that as your ski is turning and flexing you're losing energy, PMI will allow the ski to return back to its normal shape fastest and allow you to build cross course speed from the widest point. PVC will be a touch slower in response and so on and so forth as you move down. This is a very tangible feeling as a skier from a pro level all the way to an amateur. If you were to ride all 4 constructions back to back you would feel that energy through the turn change with each core material. Essentially you're gaining better turns and more speed as you go up in core materials. Hope that helps explain it Ky, let me know if you have any more questions!

 

Brooks