MCskiFreak Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I saw a post over on skifly about a new speed control system based on the load on the pylon and tied directly into the throttle. Anyone know anything about this?? If you do and do want to comment please message me or email me at mwelton at uno dot edu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted June 10, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 10, 2011 Isn't that sort of what the switch did; take load information from the ski rope, or am I way off base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCskiFreak Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted June 11, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2011 Slalom Switch with PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted June 11, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2011 The PP switch do not sense load, it just senses that there is load present and then applies a predetermined amount of rpm increase=PX value no matter how high or low the actual load is. A sensor that will sense the amount of load and adjust accordingly would be completely different from the PP switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted June 11, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2011 that is still a very reactionary process; much like loading ZO....it reacts the the skiers input via maintaining or making up to a speed constant. The RPM constant does not try and average out the set point; it just tries to maintain it. The speed base system of ZO tries to make up time if you pull the boat down and pull too long. It will be interesting to see the interaction of a load sensor on the pylon and what that input feeds. My guess is that it will feed an RPM based system. It seems it would be independent of speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted June 11, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2011 Please not another speed control system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCskiFreak Posted June 11, 2011 Author Share Posted June 11, 2011 The RPM based feed is the only one that would make sense for this type of system. Very interesting thanks for the details. Any contact details for Jager, or would it be better to just got through the FM website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted June 12, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2011 But the vast majority of systems in place and in use are PP. The vast majority of "serious" slalom skiers using speed control systems are not regular tournament skiers. Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted June 13, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2011 There are plenty of us serious slalom skiers out there, even those of us who ski tournaments regularly, who just can't come up with the extra coin to upgrade to a ZO boat. I'll run my 05 MC 197 with DBW and SG for a long time before I pay up to get to a ZO boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted June 13, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted June 13, 2011 Dido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted June 14, 2011 Supporting Member Share Posted June 14, 2011 Chef23 wrote: "Please not another speed control system." Amen, brother. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 14, 2011 Administrators Share Posted June 14, 2011 All we really need is a good ZO Sim for older boats ... then stop with changes Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted June 15, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 15, 2011 I wish we as consumers could pick the cruise system in a new boat. I have heard Zero Off runs about $4000. I would get Star Gazer on a new boat if I could. If I had to choose between ZeroOff and Perfect Pass Stargazer, I would pick which ever one is cheaper. All that matters is the time from gate to gate 16.08 or 16.95, and good split times.. I would love to see a new SN200 on my lift, but not any time soon. If you are used to Perfect PAss, just use the B2 setting on ZeroOff. I had no trouble adapting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 15, 2011 Administrators Share Posted June 15, 2011 I am done being mad about ZO. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted June 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 16, 2011 GAJ0004, ZO is not anywhere close to $4k on a new boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted June 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 23, 2011 4K for ZeroOff was just what I heard. I have no idea what it would cost. If I ever have to repower my boat with a new engine, I would probably have to upgrade to ZeroOff. I am glad it is not 4K! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted June 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 23, 2011 Price for zero off conversion on a 2010(?) Malibu Response ran about $3500 for someone at the lake I attend. Needed a new ECM for the boat which I think was a $900 kicker. So 4K for a new boat it may not be, however to put it in a boat (Malibu) that never had it was pretty close. BTW Did the install themselves so no labor costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted June 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 23, 2011 ZO for a 09 Malibu costs US$ 1,590. I do not think it is more expensive for a 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted June 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 24, 2011 colo, a friend converted his 07 Malibu to ZO. Was $2200 total including the new ECM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted June 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 24, 2011 Whats wrong with zero off, it gives you options, and works fine, its up to the skier not to spike the boat, a bit like handling a lady, you have to coax and caress her and spend up to $2000 to get the ride of your life. LOL ! What is the price for a flight, limousine, top class restaurant & a top class hotel for the weekend for two, I guess around $2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted June 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted June 24, 2011 Just converted my '07 response, New ECM and ZO module, super easy plug in install, was up and running in no time! Running the wires cleanly for the GPS pucks and installing the Display in the dash is a much larger chore than hooking it up and getting it operational. Still have Gazer in the boat too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCskiFreak Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaVSBkK5AtU video of the system being tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted June 29, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted June 29, 2011 Wow. Listening to the engine rpm increase, it sounds 180 degrees out of phase with the skier's pull. I would hate to see what its like when someone actually puts a load on the boat. Kind of like the very first versions of Perfect pass based on the airguide speedos. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted July 3, 2011 Baller Share Posted July 3, 2011 I completely agree, Bruce. It's still throttling the skier into the apex. Wayyyy late. Paul is designing something that feels good to him. Of all the videos Iv'e seen of him skiing, he's always free skiing at 32/35/38 and WAY back on the boat. I question what happens when a 35 and shorter skier in the course who's pylon extended at the buoy skis with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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