Baller ScarletArrow Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 So partly an excuse to experiment with the new poll feature, but mostly to add to the discussion. I'm surprised no one seems to be talking about what I think was the biggest decision of the Masters. On Sunday there was a pretty good head/tail wind. Tgas opted to drop his 32off pass so he could get a 39 headwind. Nate went out at his 32off and then posted a strong 39. With the pressure now on Parrish to match Nate's score, he went out at 32 off, but then opted to skip his 35off pass and go to 38 where he fell around 3 ball. I was standing out on the platform watching Parrish between passes and without the aid of the big screen I could see him turning his head looking back down course at the water conditions considering his move. I spoke with a prominent skier afterwards, and he said CP made the right decision. His logic was that if he couldn't run 38 in a tailwind, he wasn't going to run 39, so it really didn't matter. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 Whether he went out at 35 or opted past 35, doesn't really matter. 6 of one. Half a dozen of the other. Sometimes you roll the dice and they come up snake eyes. The skier you talked to was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 No question. 38 as your second pass seems like a big jump, but he has been running it for close to 20 years. Besides, he did not appear to be in trouble, something weird just happened at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted May 31, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 I just found it interesting that 3 of the 4 finalists took a different approach in dealing with the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eyepeeler Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 What about 32 head, 35 tail, and then all in, opt to 39 head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 @eyepeeler, that's what I was thinking as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 This is the old which came first chicken or egg! 38 is an easy pass for cp, shoulda ran it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted May 31, 2012 Administrators Share Posted May 31, 2012 He knows what he is doing - Just was not his day. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gjohnson Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 There must be some weird bounce back from the pavilion on the buoy CP fell around. Last year in the finals, T-Gas & Willy went done at the same buoy in much better conditions. Both skiers didn't appear to be in any trouble at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted May 31, 2012 Administrators Share Posted May 31, 2012 I did not talk to CP but yes the water was MOVING! Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted May 31, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 Again? Sounds like there's some history between these two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 "What about 32 head, 35 tail, and then all in, opt to 39 head." By taking that approach, he would have had to run a full 6 buoys at 39 for the win. Any thing short of that - say 5.5 - would have been scored as 38 off and Nate gets the win. By opting up at 38, all he would have needed at 39 was the 5.5 - In this case, not much difference, but its there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted May 31, 2012 Supporting Member Share Posted May 31, 2012 I think his basic strategy was absolutely right. Gotta get essentially all of -39, and if you're gonna get that then you have to be able to run -38 tail. Anytime you need essentially all of a very difficult pass then the best strategy is to take the one before that with the tail. Personally, I would not want to take the huge jump of the opt-up into the tail wind direction. Relating it to my skill level, the gap between a -28 head and a -35 tail is so ridiculously huge that I wouldn't feel ready for it. But I don't really like opt ups even when opting up into a headwind, so I guess it's a given that I wouldn't opt up into a tailwind. So I voted for going -35 off the dock. But I assume that CP has enough experience doing various opt-ups that he felt comfortable with this one. So I don't literally mean "CP should have done it my way" -- I just voted for the way I would do it in a similar situation. (Not that I've ever been in a truly similar situation, but you know what I mean!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gjohnson Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 TGAS started at 12m in order to get the 10.75m head wind. But his strategy didn't work either. The Masters is a tough place to ski. Every year something unexpected happens and skiers end up in the drink earlier than expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted May 31, 2012 Administrators Share Posted May 31, 2012 @ScarletArrow Don't Listen to Brent. You guys realize that CP does a lot of big opt up. He and Andy had a plan and let me say it again... It was just not his day. It happens. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted May 31, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted May 31, 2012 Didn't see Nates skiing on Sat but he sure made it lake look like it was not ruff at all. K.C. showed the same easy looking runs in the OBrien head to head. Does anyone ever get to practice on Robins lake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted May 31, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 No practice at Robin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 Actually, if you watch the video very close you can see that something in the pavillion caught CP's attention coming into 3 ball, It was Hortons big ass hair. This small distraction cost him a shot at victory. It is all Hortons fault. I say he needs his head shaved!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 Horton was not on the pavillion at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gjohnson Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 @Wish CP looked great on Saturday while netting 3 buoys at 10.25m, one buoy off his course record. He was the only skier to take down 10.75m all weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 @mattp...why u trying to ruin my attempt at harassing the hairball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted May 31, 2012 Supporting Member Share Posted May 31, 2012 @skidawg Was that really MattP or a certain guy with admin priveleges? Btw, next insane bet for Horton should involve shaving his head if he loses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 @skidawg I spent the weekend with him. He's not all evil... @Than I do have admin privileges. And he will never cut the hair, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 You know, Horton will be at the Cypress Big Dawg. There's enough of us from BOS that will be there. We could just hold him down, duct tape him up, and cut his hair ourselves. Yeah. Think about it. Superman without his cape. The Intergalactic Leader without his hair. What a parallel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 i'll throw in a $100 for charity for a shaved head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted May 31, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 How much if CP himself handles the clippers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted May 31, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted May 31, 2012 Should start poll thread How much would you danate the see the hair go for cancer (Melinoma) research. $10 20 50 100 More Or not interested At least you'll know what the potential is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted May 31, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted May 31, 2012 Second guessing strategy is alway easier than planning forward for the conditions, bottom line, top level athletes tend to go for the win and sometimes the consequences are major. The weekend had a couple of good examples, Takuma Sato attempted an ill timed pass at the Indy 500 that cost him the win and about $2 mil. in cash and left the team with a hulk of busted race car and the Toro Rosso team whiffed on a tire choice strategy that cost the driver a possible win, no chance to go from zero to hero because the rain did not come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted May 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2012 My crew chief always told me when we were racing "Bring back the trophy or the steering wheel. 2nd place is first loser." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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