Baller 6balls Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 Wow I'm first into a poll. I learned with it out as a kid. I keep it out now as it's far easier on my back out of the hole. I also like it once up as it allows easy heel lift in pre-turn as well as the angle at which my foot wants to be canted. I realize there are dbl set ups that allow for some lift and desired cant from center on the rear foot...but then it comes down to the hole shot and my back again. RTP and rear foot out on hole shots for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 I can start either way but old habits die hard I guess. I learned with dragging my back foot. In the old days I was learning behind underpowered outboards. Just made things easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller XR6Hurricane Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 Always rear foot in from the first time I successfully got up on slalom. I couldn't even learn by dropping a ski. I have too much trouble finding the strap and my balance on one leg is well below average. So fishing around back there for the strap without throwing my balance off is futile. @Jordan - the people I know who learned behind underpowered rigs are the ones who get up every time without fail because they learned the most efficient way to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Waternut Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 Out for me. I also learned on underpowered I/O's and one leg out allowed the boat to plane off. I found dragging the top of my foot in the water made learning balance on a slalom easier and it just copied over to getting up. I learned double boots behind real ski boats and most drivers have told me that it takes more power to get my 175 lb butt up than most guys who weigh considerably more. I guess I learned the most efficient and inefficient ways. haha Because it took me so much effort to get up with double boots, I just switched back to a RTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doonez Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I do whatever depending on my mood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doonez Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Majority of the time it's in though because I risk pulling my hamstring the way I trail the other leg so far behind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 Won't vote because I moved to DB, but learned RTP feet in after drinking a lake RTP foot out while trying to learn to slalom. I did eventually learn RTP foot out, but never felt right about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rayn Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 I learned to drag when I was a kid, and didn't change until I hurt my groin(let the jokes begin) kicking in on a short set up. Since then I learned the both feet in method and have never gone back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 From the first time when I was a kid always with rear foot in. Gone to rear boot now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolly110 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 i learnt both feet in when i was about 10 or so. then got to fat and boat got tired and had to learn one foot out, glad i did as its so much easier on the body. @doonez i had trouble with my hammy with both feet in. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 We always did beach starts as a kid and everyone got up with the rear foot out. I have gotten up a couple of times with my rear foot in but it is too much work. I tried to teach both my kids with both feet in but they both got up easier with back foot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 30, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2013 I start with my rear foot in for a few reasons. 1. My lake's setups are to short for me to kick in and have enough time to get set before pulling out. 2. I learned first how to keep both in. I dragged a foot for the first time this past year and usually do when I'm just headed to the dock or end of the lake after a fall. 3. I run my RTP pretty tight and I'm sure I could not get my foot in the same exact location each kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Waternut Posted March 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 @MattP If I were to use a RTP on your lake, I wouldn't drag either... There's no way I'd get my foot in in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 @waternut yeah I've done it but not what I should be worrying about when I'm skiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted March 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 Start with rear foot in for the following reason......see other thread http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/4006/rear-toe-loopers-a-potential-fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 @skibug I don't see myself releasing from something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil2360 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Well mostly, Sometime if it's still in after a fall I'd leave it there to avoid the hassel of getting it back in, but in general I prefer to save the extra energy consumed by starting both feet in. Originally learnt both feet in, but learnt to drag one a few years later to help underpowered boats & save the muscles & back a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted March 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 @MattP, It looks worse than it is. I have been using it for almost 2 season without issue; with some doosies....yard sales, OTF's etc. and have come out when I needed to...I tend to hand on too long; I don't like to feel like a quitter :). That is not too say I won't get hurt; because every set up has some inherent liability, but I am not going back. I can say with a good deal of confidence this setup has saved me from injury during instances where my front foot stayed in and my back foot might have come out easily in a lean lock situation or a side body slam event. It takes away a lot of the 1 foot in - 1 foot out scenarios with a RTP set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerR Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Haven't skied rtp in 2 seasons, but I always was taught to do foot in. I didn't realize the other was ever an option till I was like 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakinblak Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I thought the purpose of RTP was to start with your foot out. I first saw people using double boots when I started this a couple years ago and I winced at the strain. Though I havent tried foot in or double boots my eyes tell my I risk strain and pulling on my legs in the akward position and back trying to balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 31, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 31, 2013 I feel discriminated against Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted March 31, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 @horton, I should have had an additional category that stated "if you were to use a RTP..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Mrs_MS Posted March 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 I like my RTP tight...so foot doesn't slip. When in the water I reach back grab the tail of my ski and push my foot in good! Unless I do an OTF, my foot stays put! HO makes the best RTP IMHO...tried many! Comfy, Cushy & Tight!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 @Mrs_MS I do the same thing. I also will pull up on the rubber to get my foot in farther where I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Mrs_MS Posted March 31, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2013 Me too MattP :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerR Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 @mattp I used to use an old Wiley RTP so that I could cut the edges so that I could really push my foot in. I may have a few left if you want me to bring one for you next time I go to ATL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted April 1, 2013 Baller Share Posted April 1, 2013 @tylerr sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcityskier Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I was always a double high wrap guy. Then after I moved away from home the only boat option available was a 4 cyl I/O. As a big guy I had to go RTP to get out of the water in a reasonable time. Now that I have a better boat, just can't change back after years this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kmenard Posted April 1, 2013 Baller Share Posted April 1, 2013 I have always skied behind jet boats with enough power to rip your arms out...but I went through a period where I had a mental block and couldn't get up. I tried dropping a ski, but would yard sale it every time. Nothing worse than having the need to ski and fighting a 30hp bayliner to get out of the water though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ham_Wallace Posted April 1, 2013 Baller Share Posted April 1, 2013 52 years RTP. Foot out, kick in. Switched after 2010 and a few missed kicks on short set ups. 2 seasons double boots. Going back to kicker. Will just start with rear hoof in on short set ups. New A-3. New year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampacdan Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I ski with double boots but I wanted to see the poll results - if I change to RTP - I will go foot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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