The skier who will not be named is heading to 5 ball.

[Horton]

The skier who will not be named is heading to 5 ball. He went around 4. From these pictures what is his final score?

[MattP]

I think I would need to see the next picture in the series to be sure or when fell/dropped the handle.

[Horton]

This may help

[webbdawg99]

"From these pictures"......it's not clear. Between 4 and 4.5. Definitely not 5. I'm leaning towards 4.

[Horton]

For the record the judges did the right thing and gave the skier (whoever he is) a piece of 5 because they could not be sure. I forget is the final score was 4.25 or 4.5.

 

[webbdawg99]

Most likely, in full speed with no video review, that will be called 4.5

[oldjeep]

That broken handle is giving him a couple extra inches ;)

[Horton]

They gave this wacky skier (whoever he is) another go and he tried to screw it up again

[bishop8950]

Somebody needs to tell that skier about "separation", those wake crossings suck!

 

Agree that you can not tell from those photos

[Horton]

@bishop8950 Separation? Someone need to get that guy to a chiropractor

[bishop8950]

While we are at picking on this guy (me) check out this sequence. In the last shot I was squealing loud as I almost missed my opener.

[brhartw]

Thats an easy call. 4 We call that a Buckley ball. Nice fake but no count.

 

Is that Kreg Korinek from Phoenix?

 

[Than_Bogan]

Am I missing something? Entire spray line is inside the ball; couldn't possibly have gone around that ball. Clearly 4.

 

That said, calling it in real time from a different angle it might have been unclear and so of course I would have given benefit of doubt to the skier. So I'm not saying any judges were wrong but FROM THESE SHOTS it's an obvious 4, no?

[webbdawg99]

Entire spray line inside the ball?? It looks like the ball is in the spray line......

[oldjeep]

Judging by the mushroom cloud above the ball, I assumed that it got run over.

[Wish]

That is an odd place for a handle to fail. Also notice that he goes from full sun to a shadow right before the ball. Guessing if the tower is on the opposite side of the course, they would be looking into the sun or close. Shadows of the observers on shore seem to look that way. If it was on the same side that could be a problem as well in the shadows.

[bishop8950]

The handle did not brake. I definitely hit the buoy. It was definitely a very tough call for the judges to make.

[klindy]

Four all day. In the last picture of the original sequence you can see his body crushing into the ski after the speed bump over the buoy. "Significantly displaced" or "run over" is a miss.

[webbdawg99]

His body position doesn't appear any different in the last frame than the frame before. And judging by the spray off the ski, it doesn't appear that the path of the ski was ever greatly disturbed either. Amazing how people can see completely different things in the same photo.

[KcSwerver]

I think he hit it on the outside. Ill give him a 4.25

[Horton]

@bishop8950 are you going to talk to Richelle about your idea for 1/8th ball?

[bishop8950]

@horton, Richelle has enough legitimate rule change proposals to consider

[Dirt]

TGas was directly below judges with same basic angle doing webcast with Tad

 

 

[KcSwerver]

@bishop8950 what line?

[bishop8950]

39

[Horton]

I was standing right there. 4 1/8

[MattP]

@horton skimom is going to hurt you for bringing up that idea...

[matthewbrown]

I havn't seen arms that long since I visited the zoo, and what about that head position did the left trap seize up on the way to 5?

[Dusty]

Called it 4... Mostly because, I figured if the ski had been outside the ball, you would not have been able to see it- the spray would have eclipsed. Could have been an inner side strike too, which would also be 4. But without video or better vantage... 4.5 is probably the decent call to make. I value 1/4 buoys, becasue it shows scrappiness (or blatant disregard for personal safety...) but, if the handle is in the hands past the ball at anything shorter than about -22, the ski has already penetrated the course and you get a half or one...

[Chef23]

At real time speed I probably would have gone 4.5 depending on where I was judging from. Based on the picture it is hard to tell when the rope snapped. Based on the goes to the runner in real time I probably would have gone 4.5.

 

From the picture I think he was inside the ball so for the poll I went 4 but at full speed I probably would have gone 4.5

[41off]

4

[oneski]

4........He's clearly inside 5 ball.

 

[LeonL]

Would have to see it in real to be sure, but looks like 4 to me.

[Marco]

Judging by the turquoise trough in the water created by the ski, it definately appears inside the buoy, so based on the pic, I would have to call it 4. Would be really tough to call in real time though.

[Zman]

Looks like 4, unless on his own lake, 4.5 :)

[scotty_alz]

if we could only have picture review in real time i dont think you could see the trough go inside the bouy real time 4.5 picture review 4

[Erik4c]

Seems to be 4.25 in my opinion. From the pictures, it looks like the spray is outside of the ball and he clearly let go of the handle before crossing back past the buoy line toward the wakes. Boat judge would have the best look at if the skier made it inside or outside of the ball. I think even in real time a judge could see that it was a quarter not a half.

[Bruce_Butterfield]

Zero, plus 4. The video shows he missed the entrance gates and the camera shows he clearly skied inside 5 ball.

 

From the angle of the camera, its a clear miss. If the judges were on the opposite shore, they could not see and the "correct" score would have been 4 1/4.

[bishop8950]

You must be joking on the gates...

[Horton]

That is what I saw. 0 plus 3

[bfreeski]

Evidence says 4, the ball would not be visible in the wake coming off the ski had the ski gone outside the ball. The tip may well have hit the ball, but the carving edge of that ski definitely went inside the ball.

 

In real time that would be tough.....and if he held onto the baton/handle back to the wake I would give him 5.

[gjohnson]

I think @Horton posts these photos to stir the pot. They're never taken from the actual judging tower. i.e. at least 3m above the water surface. From the pictures, you can't accurately judge the pass as there is never a shot of where the front foot is when crossing the C-D and X-Y axis. More importantly, @matthewbrown let's hear about your last zoo visit.

[Horton]

bump

[6balls]

4 from the first set of pics...looks like inside of 5. In real time moving fast and not replay or slo-mo would be hard to say. Further in the thread there was video to completion.

 

From only the first set of pics 4 inside of 5. Knowing things happen fast and I wouldn't have pics but that's all I got if he got around 5 would expect 4.25. Looking at the video then further in the thread with real time speed, no replay etc probably would have given him 4.5 cuz wouldn't have been able to tell went inside of 5.

 

So...score 4. Gates geez now I gotta go back and look again...ok you can't see gates on that vid. With all available info on this thread...4.

[ALPJr]

4+?, or what the judges scored it. If that bridle is not broken what happened to the photo?

[bishop8950]

@ALPJr the handle is not broken. Must be @horton bad photoshop skills. After he edited to made it look like I missed 5 ball, he screwed up the handle somehow.

 

But in all seriousness, that handle did not break and I went on to use it the next round and beyond.

[aupatking]

Run over is a miss and this appears very run over. How about side by side pics of a clearly made ball versus this one, just for clear reference? Should run over now be considered 1/4?

Are we leaning more toward rule change on ball count to help get scores correct and avoid issues like the Moomba/Nate controversy?

[lpskier]

I would have claimed to be using the tournament supplied handle and asked for a re-ride.

[Kelvin]

@lpskier, for the tournaments I host, my handle is one of the tournament supplied handles for just that reason :wink:

[lpskier]

@Kelvin That is a great idea!