Baller Laz Posted August 24, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2014 I've been looking at a 67" and 68" Vapor. I'm mostly working on 32' off with the occasional run at 35' off, at 34mph. I'm 5'11" and 190. Right now I'm on a 68" in Strada. Should I stay with a 68" or switch to a 67"? I'm leaning towards 67". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted August 24, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2014 @Laz I was on a 68" Razor and I am now on the 67" Vapor. I am loving the 67" Since you are on the sizing borderline and ski colder water the 67" makes more sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 24, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2014 There is a good deal on ski it again, a 67 vapor for $850 from oconomowoc wi. Ski was barely used. He likes the orange koolaid. Mention my name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 I tried a 69.5 and 68 Blue Vapor, and going with the 68. At 260, I struggled on my old 68" 9500 and 68.25 9900. The 68 Vapor is slightly wider up front and I don't know if the steps in the front help lift or exactly what, but starts on the 68 Vapor are pretty easy,,and on the 69.5, I pop right out. Both lengths were getting very good angle but the 69.5 was harder to turn exactly when I wanted it to. I rode both Rini and Rossi settings on each ski, and liked Rini on the 69.5 but Rossi setup on the 68 was rocking it for me. I 2-handed 6 ball at 28 off today, something I haven't felt compelled to do in a long time, in a 15/20 mph diagonal body wind. Water wasn't choppy due to the turnpike overpass wind break we installed years ago, but plenty of body wind. The 69.5 is slightly wider up front than the 68. The 68 will also give me incentive to work out over winter and shed some weight. So, my recommendation is that the Vapors ski slightly larger, and you are in between on sizes, go down a size. But, it's always good to try both! As always, the guys at Radar are awesome to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JAS Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 @AB have you ever tried Mapple 6.1? On vapor it sounds like at 230 a 68 would be OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 @JAS I'm 215, down from 230, on a 68 Vapor. I was 230 when I got it. It rocks! Plenty big, lots of tip support. Will work with wack settings (not sure if that's good or bad) and is stellar with the right ones. Shorter I go the better it gets, extremely confidence inspiring. I'm 34, -28 to -38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 230 should not be a problem on the 68. We measured the width vs my 9500 and it is definetley wider in front. Did not measure the tail which looks close. I wish I weighed 230! I tried the 6.1 and just couldn't make it work for me. One of my ski partners tried it and he bought it. He weighs about 200-210 ish. Major improvement over his old RS1. Both are nice skis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2014 Let me start by saying I love the Vapor. It has literally taken my skiing to another level. My one issue that I seem to have with it is that I cant seem to get the tip down on my onside (1,3,5). When I watch vid of myself I am on the tail of the ski turning it. Granted I turn it fine, but I feel that I could do a lot more with the middle of the ski in the water. I have played around with binding numbers and a little with fin numbers (but after Nate got my fin dialed in I do not plan on touching it). Anybody else have this issue/ know how to fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2014 The Vapor seems to really like a counter position in the pre-turn. I sometimes get lazy going into my onside and feel I can just muscle it. Are you keeping your chest pointed outbound long enough? Have you tried "sitting" on the buoy with your inside hip? That helps roll the ski around quicker and leaves you in pretty good shape to hookup. Aside from all that, you can move the fin back a fuzz, but that will slow your turns down a little. The other move would be to lessen the volume of the fin in general, as too much resistance will cause the tip to pop up. Either take some depth out or move the whole fin up into the ski a little to keep the same ratios.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2014 If you can't get the tip down, what makes you think the fin is dialed in? Honestly, it could be binding position, fin setup, or just you. I know onside on mine, the tip is engaged and horizontal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2014 @AB I tend not to counter much, that is something to think about. @shaneH I was skiing about where I was last season on the Vapor when I first got it. Maybe 1 or 1.5 buoys more on average. After Nate played with it a little (took out tip) I went up a pass. If there are more buoys to be gained by dialing the fin I am officially in over my head when thinking about fin adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted September 3, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted September 3, 2014 I have had some issue on a 67 with 246 rff I moved binding forward to 30.25fb bb 18.25 and bam. fin 2.480 6.870 74.5 9wing with the wide rockered tip the ski you can climb all over the tip and not bury it. skiing better than ever. I have ran more -35 this yr than the last 3 combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2014 @deanoski so when you put in these fin settings it helped you get the tip down? what were you at before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted September 3, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted September 3, 2014 same fin setting just moved boots from 29 3/4 -17 3/4 to 30.25-18.25 as per eddies suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Laz Posted September 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 7, 2014 So far I have about 5 sets on the 67" Vapor. I am quite surprised at how different it feels from my old 68" Strada. I've run a handful of '32 off passes in past. Now I've run it twice in back to back sets easier than I've ever run it. I'm having a better time getting front foot pressure on my off side turns. To me, it seems the main difference is how fast the ski is both turning and across the wake. Some of this could be because it's shorter than my last ski. I've had to tone down my effort, which has been a good thing. Regardless, I'm really enjoying skiing on it. Now I'm going to have to face 35' off. That will be a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 8, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2014 Does anyone have a sizing chart for the Vapor? Looked on Radars website cant find one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markchilcutt Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 @ilivetoski click on brochure on there web site and go to page 14 or 15 i think that is where you will find the sizing chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 8, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2014 It is on the Performance Ski website: http://www.perfski.com/Waterskis/Slalom-Skis/2014-Radar-Lithium-Vapor-Slalom-Ski.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 8, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2014 My son (15, 5'9" 175 lbs) skied one good set (it was windy this weekend) on his new to him 67" Vapor and skied well on it. We have been skiing slower than his max speed and shortening the line and based on that he went out at 30/22. He ran 30/22, 2 32/22s a 34/22 then ran several 28s with a best of 4@28 off at 34 mph. This is the first time he skied 34 mph since he got a concussion earlier in the summer. He has been skiing 36 mph this year before getting hurt with a best of 2@22 off. Last year he only ran 22 a couple of times in practice so running it first try was a good result. He had been skiing on my 66.75 Nano 1 and skied well on it but he felt like the Vapor was faster and turned just as good for him. We are winding down the ski season but if we can get a couple of good sets in I think he can run 28 off. If I can lose a few pounds over the winter I will try his ski and compare it to my N1. It doesn't look like it has less surface area than the N1 although the N1 is slightly longer than the Vapor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfennell Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 What is the correct settings for 205 lbs @ 36 mph -32? Start off with the numbers in the first post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2014 The fin on my son's ski is longer and shallower than settings I have found online but it was supposedly set up by Rini so I am leaving it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2014 There are two sets of numbers for the Vapor. Rini is longer and shallower, Rossi is deeper and shorter. I like Rossi numbers on my 68 but liked Rini on the 69.5. Go to Performance Surf and Ski shop and you can usually find both sets for the ski by length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2014 The ski I have is longer and shallower than Rinis. 6.964 with tips and 2.450 on a 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2014 2.450 is what Rossi told me to try, but length was 6.945. These are "adjusted Rini" settings. Matt Rini's Fin Settings (Updated as of 3/1/14): Size: Depth DFT Length Boot Setting 63.5": 2.475, .745, 6.875 front boot @ 28 1/2 wing @ 8 65": 2.475, .745, 6.880 front boot @ 28 3/4 wing @ 9 66": 2.445, .745, 6.954 front boot @ 29 1/4 wing @ 9 67": 2.450, .750, 6.960 front boot @ 29 3/4 wing @ 9 68": 2.450, .750, 6.960 front boot @ 30 1/4 wing @ 9 To have your ski personally setup by Matt himself contact him via email @ swiniskis@gmail.com. Mention you spoke to the crew at Performance Ski and Surf when you email him! Rossi's 67" Fin Settings (Updated as of 3/15/14): Size: Depth DFT Length Boot Setting 65": 2.475, .745, 6.880 front boot @ 28.875 wing @ 9 66": 2.475, .750, 6.880 front boot @ 29.375 wing @ 9 67": 2.475, .755, 6.880 front boot @ 29.875 wing @ 9 68": 2.475, .765, 6.880 front boot @ 30.375 wing @ 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2014 For a 67 the radar website has 6.880 and 2.480 for Rini numbers. Seeing what @AB posted makes me more comfortable with the way the ski is set up right now. I have been driving my son so I can't really comment on how the ski is behaving just the results he has gotten granted it has only been one set in decent conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2014 The Rini numbers make you feel like you are 90 degrees across the wake, but I thought turns were problematic, and the runout not as good. He may want to try the Rossi numbers above. No tournaments in site, now is a great time to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JC McCavit Posted September 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2014 My Rini settings for the 67 has the front boot at 30 1/4. I think there are newer setting than the March recommendations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2014 Matt just emailed me his current settings for the Vapor: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2014 At least I am measuring the fin right those are the numbers I came up with. I don't have the binding that far forward though. I will move it forward and see how it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2014 Has anyone else had issues with the ski not settling out of the finish of the turn? I had one of my buddys tell me that when I come out of my 1,3,5 (onside) that the ski is just moving... Said he has never seen a ski do that before but it is right at the finish of the turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 14, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2014 Has anyone noticed that Rini fin settings is really close to Goode factory settings for the 9900SL except for dft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 My son continued to have fun on his 67 this afternoon. He hadn't skied for a couple of weeks and ran 34/28 for the first time ever and took a couple of cracks at 32 off. Unfortunately our season is winding down and next weekend is a hockey tournament so he may not get another good set in before we are done. At slower speeds the ski doesn't seem to finish the way I would like it to but it seemed to get better as the boat sped up and the rope got shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 @chef23 that ski is 36 mph ski. Thats how Radar tends to be. I know a few 34 mph guys who get into 39 who have tried it and said it is a lot better at 36... I think it has to do with it being such a high riding ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 I ski it at 34 for my opener and I can just feel it react a lot slower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 @Ilivetoski my son is a 36 mph skier but is coming back from injury so he has been skiing slower. I don't think I am going to speed him up again until the spring. That said the Vapor isn't exclusively a 36 mph ski there are tons of skier skiing 34 mph on it. Generally higher riding skis are better at slower speeds and deeper riding skis are better at faster speeds. If you look at the D3 line up the Helix rides higher than the Quest and in the HO line up the S2 rides higher than the A3 and the Helix and S2 are the skis that are generally recommended for 34 although there are skiers that ski the Helix and S2 at 36 and skiers that ski the Quest and A3 at 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 Works great for me at 34 :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 @skidawg could probably run an oar into shortline at 34 mph... That said, I've got my hands on a 67 Vapor now and look forward to dialing it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 My son seems to like it better than the Nano 1 but he hasn't skied it at 36 yet. He does think the N1 shuts down faster but that the Vapor carries speed better through the turns. Plus he likes the green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 @ilivetoski sometimes you say silly things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 Based on my experience with it, I am wondering if the general rule could be to ski one size shorter than a "regular" ski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 @shaneh the experiences that I have had with people trying it/ the strada at 34 is that they tend to say it is a 36 mph ski.. Then they give it to their 36 mph son. Just my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 The strada is a completely different ski. They couldn't be any more different, so you can't make any comparisons between them. I'm pretty sure that there are more people riding the Vapor at 34 than 36. Rossi and Rini are putting everyone they can on it at 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted September 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2014 The way the front of the ski acts with extra width and the rails makes this ski exceptional for 34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted October 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 3, 2014 Hurry... great deal on eBay: http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=151428403345 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted October 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 3, 2014 deal o the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted October 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 3, 2014 It may not sell for that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted October 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 3, 2014 It was under $500 earlier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted October 3, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 3, 2014 Also in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller davemac Posted October 4, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 4, 2014 Someone is smiling after buying that ski for under $700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted October 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 10, 2014 So, I bought a 65" Vapor for my son. Put the ski at stock settings. His first set on it, he exceeded his tournament PB by 2 buoys off the dock. Mulligan pass yielded a new all time PB by almost a whole pass above his tourney PB. He say, "It's a keeper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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