Baller JAS Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 Nice pic but... Stein was born in 1927 and retired in 1954. Nobody skis like that anymore, they did crazy stuff to force those "skis" to turn. Bob Lange with plastic boots (1962) and Howard Head with metal skis (1950) changed skiing. Water ski slalom is not like Alpine slalom, it's more similar to Alpine GS. Really we want to ski like Ted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JAS Posted August 30, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 Considering all of the improvements in equipment these guys are more similar than different. Actually I think K2 fours and Brody Miller was the game changer. (Note Stein' s open shoulders) different sports for sure, just interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller andjules Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 Thought-provoking for sure @JAS. Reminds me of discussions around the height of 'West Coast Slalom'. Some principles taken to the extreme and looking contorted instead of what's naturally athletic. Lots of slalom concepts—albeit exaggerated—in the Stein photo. Also note how much Stein's photo looks like an offside turn (outer leg in front), and Ted's is more like an onside turn. Also—as equipment improves—note 'smear' vs 'carve'. Not sure there's a lesson in Stein's, but it's interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JAS Posted August 30, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 @BRY Totally agree with comments about Lange boots and Head skis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 Stein is a skid, the static picture doesn't really show that. Those guys had a huge un-weight between turns, and the skis were forced around. No metal edges (introduced later by Bob Lange again), no flex balance, no sidecut. Brute force on un-groomed (grooming didnt exist) But they still hauled a$$, crazy fast for the equipment they were on. What Stein and Ted are doing to the ski is very different, but how they do it is similar. Same skeleton and muscle groups putting pressure to the ski through the bottom of the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted August 30, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2014 We ski'd in Deer Valley this past winter and had lunch at Steins restaurant. Dude looked 400 years old and still had chicks all around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceEmery Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Granted Stein is exaggerating for the picture, but for those of us that raced in the 60,S and before, we used reverse shoulder ( counter rotation) to get close to the gates. They didn't move . Little did we know that we were also unlocking our upper body from our lower, so we were angulating. I also used this style on the water and it seemed to work. Been doing it for 50 years. Did it today. Feels good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 30, 2014 Administrators Share Posted August 30, 2014 Need to quietly encourage the Ballers to not go down this path. Theorize all you want but talk about it but talk to a pro coach before you focus on it on the water. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted August 31, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2014 Back on vacation in Utah, I once skied at Deer Valley. High end and high end and $$ nearby to Park City. Immaculately groomed slopes. Anyway, I had finished a run, and was hanging around in the chairlift line. Here comes this guy cruising in. I thought: hmmm...sorta of looks like... Holy S**t it is him. Should have told him nice going in the GS at the 1952 Olympics, but I was too stunned to do anything but stare. Next to a few people such as Franz Klammer, John Claude Killy, and Hannes Schneider, Stein is such an icon of skiing. We do have such people in water skiing, but we are a bit of a minor sport. However, I would certainly put the LaPoints up for consideration, along with some others from the Old Days, such as Warren Witherell. Unfortunately, many of the leaders and innovaters of the sport have now left us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted September 1, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2014 @BRY, Just curious on why stating that waterski is more like GS but posting a SL pic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted September 1, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2014 Watch the first 30 seconds or so. Kinda does look like my form on water..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV0ndJWYzlk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted September 1, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2014 @ral That is a GS pic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted September 1, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2014 Negative: Slalom w/Ted Ligety. Back in the old days, before flex poles, you would have been clobbered if you got that close to a gate, when some of the bamboo poles were about halfway like trees. As in when I caught a tip on one at Stowe and ended up with a broken leg. On April 13th, which pretty much ruined my water ski season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted September 1, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yeah, slalom, hand guards give it away. Broke an arm once on bamboo, slalom was much rounder then. So here's a GS one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted September 1, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2014 I'd like to ski like Ted, but at my age I'll settle for trying to ski like AJ http://oldjeep.com/images/Nastar%20Midwest/51705987-nastar-104.jpg http://oldjeep.com/images/Nastar%20Midwest/51705819-nastar-1128.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted September 1, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2014 @BRY, not only handguards: shinguards, body position, arms position, single pole gate, straight ski poles... And actively hitting the pole with the outside hand... No way to be in that position with R35 skis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted September 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2014 @Horton Insert panda, quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jcamp Posted September 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2014 Pretty bummed that the season is almost over ... but these pictures are getting me amped for the "other" ski season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibumm Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I have had the pleasure of Skiing with Stein on two occasions and he is great guy. I also skied many times with another snow skiing legend Alf Engen. But skiing with Bode was like skiing with Evel kneivel on steroids he is and unbeliveable free skier. I had the pleasure of teaching at Alta for 20 years. To compare snow skiing and water skiing is like apples and oranges. Just because they both use angle, rotation, and pressure. they are used in very different ways and in a different manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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