Baller rodltg2 Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 I was at the boat show couple weekends back and the top three boats were there amazingly enough. What I found surprising though was that both the 200 and prostar had boat show pricing on them and there was a $10,000 difference between the two. Both looked equally equipped .MC was the cheaper of the two. Malibu did not have pricing . MC was at $68. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 Can't go wrong with either one. Pick the one you like best. "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 Think that my first boat was about $68. 12 foot Chris Craft kit boat, circa 1954. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ralph Lee Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 the new MC is pretty cool, but no one can touch nautique's wakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 coke vs pepsi.....while there are diehards in both groups....I'll take either one! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think if one were really to put pencil to paper, the sales price difference between the two would be negligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller akale15 Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 The cost of a new boat is astronomical these days and to think the ski boats are on the low end of these competitors market. Reading some comments in the new slalom organization discussions people were talking about the expense of the sport and how there has been such a large increase of interest in wakeboarding. @GAJ0004 mentioned he walked into a dealer and the sellers first push was to try and sell of wakeboarding boat. All in all we look a the cost of our sport, and yes I agree it is an expensive hobby/lifestyle, but the wakeboarding business has to be way more expensive yet it consumes the market. The price of a new wakeboard or surf boat is almost 2x the cost of a ski boat. Not to mention fuel cost is going to increase. It is hard for me to put this "cost" in perspective because I am just a few years out of school myself and still have a wife in grad school but the thought of owning a boat and finding a lake to use it on still seems so unreachable. I would venture there are a lot of people out there, myself included, that are having a hard enough time just finding a boat to ski behind, let alone finding someplace with course access. I think the interest is there but skiing doesn't offer the flexibility that wakebaording does. Now days anyone with 18' boat and within a short drive from a public lake can go wakeboarding. They don't have to go searching to find private lakes with a course and club dues. Public lakes are free advertising for the wakeboarding business. I think the biggest issue is the slalom skiing family has isolated themselves (and not necessarily by choice). If you haven't grown up around tournament sking your whole life it makes it hard to get started. My first exposure was when I went to college and I have done my best to stay involved but like I mentioned above it is hard enough sometimes just to find a local pull. Just a little food for thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller drewski32 Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 At -32 and shorter (36mph) I prefer the prostar wakes. The nautique seems to have more of a dip at the center at short lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Niles Taylor Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 MasterCraft all the way...If it's good enough for TWB then it's perfect for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdubs Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Both have nice wakes. However, you should drive both - with skiers behind you and see which one you are forced to counter-steer more. Having driven both boats, the Nautique tracks the very best. Not to take away from the MC, but the reason I started buying Nautiques is so my wife could drive / pull me, but not complain about how she couldn't hold me on a straight path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 We moved from MC's to Nautiques when the women in our lives refused to drive them. The ride over rollers was too rough for their chest comfort. The new PS we drove was no exception. The wife and sister-in-law hated it. But, still love having a choice of 4 great DD options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghibli Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Of the four, I can't imagine picking anything but the easiest/best boat to drive. If you can pick the driver or the boat, but not both, I suggest you pick the driver. If you can't always be picky about the driver, the 200 is by far the way to go. All the new boats are good enough that the driver will be the biggest variable and the Nautique does the best job controlling that variable by a landside. Is there anyone out there, if forced to ski behind a mediocre driver, that would choose anything besides the 200???...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 27, 2015 Administrators Share Posted March 27, 2015 Depends on the 200 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted March 27, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 27, 2015 As a senior driver I drive all 4 current manufacturers products in all three events and mostly REL tournaments. I personally own a Nautique 200 and at this point if I was told to pick another product to own it would be a TXI. Currently I am not as comfortable driving higher end slalom with either The CP or the new MC, I have not had the opportunity to drive one of either that has been better tuned by someone that knows what they are doing, So I still hold hope. I can get into a 200 or TXI and feel right at home, I do get some of the best 200's and TXI's to drive but that is because of my close proximity to boats that I or Dennis and or Chad set up. The two products that have no floor carpet in them tend to be noisy in the cockpit and seem to rattle a lot. As for skiing throw me the handle let's go! I could care less what the boat is as long as I dont have a spongy rope! Though the new MC I feel has the best 22 off bump in the business and that is where most of the water ski contingent (women, elderly and juniors) have to contend with. Trick skiers are flocking back to the 200 and the TXI is gaining in trick Boat popularity. Jumping I feel all 4 can pull run of the mill up to 180' jumping then a 6 liter would be preferred for higher end jump. 200's seem to hold track better into the ramp and with the 6 liter are plenty powerful for 200 plus jumping. MC's set up for Freddy are different animals, I enjoy driving them but they are not run of the mil MC's. It boils down to bang for the buck and product loyalty play's a large part. Do some homework and find out what are some of the common failure's in the products. Also how good is the service infrastructure and overall knowledge of the dealer you are purchasing from. All in all I would lean toward the 200 Nautique they ski, drive and ride great out of the box and tend to hold their value and resale quality. I do have a real nice Mapple edition for Sale!! Thousands less then a new one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted March 27, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 27, 2015 Oh yea! Here is the boat I am going to ski with next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GregDavis Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 Looks like about a 1980, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 @Jody_Seal love the stars and stripes. For those interested heavily in tracking noted above...it may be peer to peer on boats but the Gekko GTR-22 tracks on rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted March 27, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 27, 2015 @6balls speaks truth in tracking. It's almost ridiculous how well that thing tracks. If they ever manage to eliminate the stiffness to the wake, I believe that would be the best skiing and driving boat on the planet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rawly Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 I won't be in the market for a while , but if I was set on a 200........with all that I have read on this sight , the only one I would buy would be a promo with a known reputation. Good luck on the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 27, 2015 The other cool Gekko feature is the complete lack of shortline spray, and the speed/wake as a barefoot boat. Very wide boat, too, and looks cool as hell in the water with the low profile. If that tiny wake was a little softer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghibli Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 @Wish @6balls Is the wake an issue at 35 off and shorter? And what about AWSA approval? I know it had approval in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ntx Posted March 28, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 28, 2015 My guess for the stars and strips is 77-79. The 80 had a three sided windshield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 28, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 28, 2015 1980 was still a one piece windshield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted March 28, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 28, 2015 Wake gets better as it gets shorter on the Gekko IMHO. Been down to 4 ball at 38 on it. Like I said, it's a weird little curb feel to the wake. Ya feel it but it doesn't seem to impede much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted March 28, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted March 28, 2015 Looks like the Gekko sells for $30K less than the MC, $40K less than the Nautique. http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=31500 You'd think it would grab some market share. Sounds like my post gave some of you the impression I'm in the market for a new boat. It was just an observation.Thought it was weird to see such a huge price gap between the two. I can't justify spending that kind of $cheddar$ on a ski boat. At least not right now. I like not having payments on my 1999 Nautique. Does the job right now. I'd really like to have zero off, but I don't think it will improve my skiing, or scores much . Until my engine blows up( keeping fingers crossed at 1700 hours) I'm keeping it. Just need to work on my driver to keep her straight! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/rodltg2/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps73dcc0f8.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I just upgraded from an 89 PS190 to a 94 PS190. The 94 came with PP (paddle wheel), was garage kept, and only 342 hours. My 89 sold for full asking price in 5 days on Craigslist. It had 1400 hours and was in great shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihard Posted March 28, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 28, 2015 @6Balls - what is the Gekko wake like at 22-32 off? I'm fortunate enough to be able to get the opportunity to ski behind new/newer boats on my site but no Gekko's anywhere near by. I will be in the market for a boat in the next year or so and I have seen the ad for the one posted on SIA. Looks like sweet ride and to hear from really good skiers how well it tracks is a bonus for the manufacturer! I would think if they pushed and promoted it wouldn't take them long to be in the mix with the other 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 28, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 28, 2015 @skihard it's been a little too long since I've skied one to comment on specific lines...others with more recent experience would be better resources. I just remember it tracked like a train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted March 28, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted March 28, 2015 I saw one at a boat show in Vancouver in 2008 or so. Don't believe it's changed much. I really like the way it looked , but when I got in it felt really tight and cramped. Only downfall I could tell at the time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 28, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 28, 2015 Boat show pricing is arbitrary. Different dealers price differently, even within the same brands. The dealer cost on a MC and a 200 is within 1 or 2 % of each other when optioned like for like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigtex2011 Posted March 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 29, 2015 I'm not sure I've every seen a Gekko. How would the resale compare percentage wise. Back to the original question. I own a 2012 200. It's's awesome boat. I've skied a bunch behind the PS. I would love to own one at some point. I don't think you can go wrong either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted March 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 29, 2015 Gekkos seem to be bought by people who don't change boats like underwear, not sure that resale is a driving purchase concern. There are a few of them on my brother in laws lake, but that is also where the owner of gekko lives. On the resale topic, that is always a crapshoot anyways, seem to still be a lot of last year promos for sale. Getting harder for the market to absorb hundreds of $$$$$$ boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonicus Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Sold our SN and bought a new PS back in 1991. PS skied great, but the build quality was way off that of a SN. Vowed not to stray away from SN again. Many moons ago, but thats been my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 29, 2015 Never really cared for nautique other than being behind them had never driven or skied one other than tourneys. Test drove n bought a 196 used. Was amazed at ski ability drivability n build quality in particular is amazing. Hard not to drink the kool aid after ownership of cc. They don't se to cut any corners in the name of expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GregDavis Posted March 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 29, 2015 ntxntx Posts: 509 Baller March 27 Flag My guess for the stars and strips is 77-79. The 80 had a three sided windshield. Regarding 1980 master craft. MC had two models, in 80, a standard, and a deluxe, the deluxe had three piece windshield, the standard one piece windshield, standard had textured deck, deluxe had smooth deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted March 29, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 29, 2015 It is an 81! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigtex2011 Posted March 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 29, 2015 @oldjeep note to self.. resale should be a concern. Changing underwear is also a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted March 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 29, 2015 I sold a 2000 GTR for $15k back in 2005 with 750 hours. Boat still looked great and ran great and I thought that was a good price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted March 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 29, 2015 Guys, it's all about how much it depreciates while you own it...if you look at what you paid for the boat and what you sold it for 4 years later, the difference between the brands doesn't amount to squat. Buy and drive what you feel is the best boat- the one you like the best now. If the difference between the 2 you were deciding upon was 2 grand, over 4 years, it's nothing. For you guys holding on to those old boats, rethink it. The only price you pay is the price of depreciation. Your old boats are depreciating too...just a little slower. Rethinking will make you realize you don't need to wait that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2015 Or depreciating a lot slower. My 2000 196 bought in 2010 with 84 hrs for $17k...tell me how much I've lost if I were to sell today. Agree totally on the splitting hairs over a few grand difference new so buy what you want and love using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Intheday Posted March 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2015 Deprecation is only half the cost the opportunity cost of $50,000 at 2%-5% adds up as well (I know it all depends on your own interest rate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skinut Posted March 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 30, 2015 Does anyone buy a boat as a financial investment? I don't think so. We buy them for a personal experience, whether that is to spend time with family and friends or be able to continue to improve our skiing. None of those can be monetized. How do you put a price on building relationships with family and friends or the enjoyment we get from skiing. In my mind you buy a boat because you want to use it to bring happiness into your life. So get what you want and can afford. It is always nice to know that you won't take a bath when you sell the boat. When you look at the big picture, if you buy a boat worrying about resale maybe this isn't the sport to be in. It's hard to make this sport work when you have tight financial constraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east tx skier Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 After considering everything else, consider which brand has the best dealer support closest to you. When something goes wrong, that may make you happier than some of the small things that cause us to believe one boat is better than another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted April 6, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 6, 2015 Excellent point a great dealer makes a lot of difference, I know there are several promo drivers that may never interface with a dealer however that's not my situation...... Which is why I don't even consider a certain "big three" brand in my area based on other owners experiences.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted April 6, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 6, 2015 I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. We have a great MC dealership 10 minutes from our front door, but I'm just not a big enough fan of the product. However, they're still capable of repairing most things on our SN, should the need arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted April 7, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted April 7, 2015 @rico, I believe the 2015 transmission in the MasterCraft took care of the 36 mph, short lake problem. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck_Dickey Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 My 2014 MC 5.7L has plenty of power to get to 36mph on a short set-up. No bump at 34/28 either. Drives every bit as well as a CC200. Don't believe me? Come ski and drive it for free. http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Promo_Boat&postid=28845 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted April 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 8, 2015 @Chuck_Dickey ....surprised that beauty hasn't sold yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skinut Posted April 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 8, 2015 @rico Nautique has a bad wake at slower speeds and 22 off? Are you referring to older models? The 200 has a great wake for slow speeds and 22 of is one of the best in the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck_Dickey Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 @Jordan all the cold weather has slowed boat sales. Now that the season approaches and the weather warms, I'm sure to make someone very happy with this beauty. We used it last week at a collegiate tournament and everyone raved about it. Slalom, Trick & Jump this boat performed perfectly. Pulled 83 skiers over the two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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