303Skier Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Ballers - How much value does no stereo/keyless/standard gauges and no hydro gate take away from the boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fast351 Posted October 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2015 When new, going from SE to LE to TE was probably a 10-15K jump. Kind of depends on what it's worth to you. I would rather have a key and standard gauges in a used boat, as some of those keyless keypads were pretty problematic (although by 2008 I think they had it sorted out). If you're just going to use it for skiing, the hydrogate is worth nothing to you. For resale purposes, a 2008, I would guess the delta between a loaded TE boat and a stripped SE boat is going to be in the 3-5K range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted October 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2015 At the price point the boat is listed at, there is no value taken away by not having those items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted October 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2015 The LE package was only about a $2-2.5k jump in price from an SE. In the used market, the value will be more based on the condition of the boat than whether it's an SE or LE. The 6.0 is the price difference maker in this particular boat. My dealer will install a gate for $450. It's not going to mean squat in the value of that boat. If you really need it for trick or jump, get it installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2015 What @ShaneH said. It's still cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtjc Posted October 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2015 In a 7-year-old boat I would prefer a keyed ignition with regular gauges. Less to fail I the long run IMOP. I would also prefer the 6.0 that will be a fun 196. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted October 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2015 @303Skier It has the plate, properly adjusted. It is the original interior, just the drivers backrest replaced. Low hours though regularly used and well maintained. I think it drives and skis very well (tournament avg 99), Darin (tournament avg 108) thinks it drives and skis well along with a world famous pro who has used it in the past (when between boats) and thinks it skis and drives well. Roger Clark (a SR driver from Okeeheelee who had a 09 196, has driven hundreds if not thousands of boats and is totally unaffiliated with the boat) checked it out for you and said it is good. Dude, there is nothing hidden, no gotcha, here. Roger recently sold his 09 196 5.7 with ~570 hrs for $29K, this is fewer hours and a 6L. NADA has low retail at $28.5K and avg retail at $31.9K. This is an above average boat for it's type. At $28K its a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted October 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2015 Buy it before that little red guy on my shoulder gets the best of me...I'm trying to be strong, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Finalizing the deal now. Just waiting the here back from Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted October 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2015 @303Skier - if you come down to get the boat and are here for more than a day, you are welcome to come ski at Okeeheelee (have to be my boat though, that one is not stickered for Okeeheelee). If you're just going to pick it up and go, let me know when and I'll come by and introduce myself if feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Okay so, agreed with Todd Yesterday on $26,750 and then I found out it didn't have a hydro-gate last night (My bad on not realizing it). Going to close the deal this AM...I asked him if he'd be willing to take $25,700 for the boat this morning...Said he'd get back to me. Called a few times this afternoon and no answer. Text a few times asking him for a timeline and that I wanted to finalize the deal today. No response. Get a text about 20 mins ago from him saying that he's backing out of the deal and is taking it to MC dealership in the area and selling it for $32k. I'm beyond disappointing and in shock by his business skills. @Roger - Thanks for all the time and help with this...I'm kinda feel ashamed I made you go out there and take a look at it. Ballers - thanks for all the help! The search goes on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted October 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2015 Sounds like you had a heck of a deal worked out and then got greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 @oldjeep Never hurts to ask...or does it!? Haha. I talked to a buddy of mine at a Nautique dealer in Orlando and he said that boat was really only worth $25k. You can get a 2010 200 for low 30's so it's really pushing the value of the 196's down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted October 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2015 Did I read right that you agreed on $26,750, then reduced your offer to $25,700 after the fact? That might make me reconsider my options too. I'm also not sure how many low-hour, clean ZO TSC3's you're going to find out there at the $25k price point? Especially with a 6.0. I think you let this one slip away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 @swc5150 we agreed on $26,750 before I realized it didn't have hydro-gate. I simply asked him if he'd take $1k less and all he had to say was "no" and I still would've done the deal. Instead he says "let me get back to you" never calls, avoids my calls and then doesn't have the respect to call me back, he texts me bailing out of the deal. I think it was shady he didn't give me the opportunity to do the deal at agreed price. That's what I'm pissed about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted October 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2015 Ah, I see. Sucks you missed out on a nice boat. The 196 fleet is aging, but there are still nice ones out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 @swc5150 I agree! I'd get a nice used 200 if I didn't need a 6.0L 200. 5.7L 200's are all over for low 30's. I'm not worried, I'll find a boat, just need to be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2015 It's not kind to kick a guy when he's down, and even less wise if he's "pissed". However to quote @oldjeep "you got greedy", and tried to lowball him. Your buddy at the Nautique dealer in Orlando is full of shit. Just ask him to find you one like it for $25k and see how quick he does! Also full of shit is the seller saying a dealer is giving him $32k. Ain't happening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 @LeonL You saying I'm cheap when I'm about to pay $27k cash for a boat is a bit insulting and funny. All he had to say was "no" and I'd have a boat on the way. This is more about Todd and his huge character flaw and bad business skills. And my buddy at the Nautique dealer in Orlando knows more about these boats as he sells them day in day out. And I don't think you can knock a guy for trying to get a good deal. How many of us have asked for just a little better deal!? What I thought. Like I said, I'm not worried I have cash in my bank and still on a quest for a boat...I'll find one :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2015 Well I apologize for insulting you. I thought better about my choice of words and almost immediately edited the post. You must have seen it prior to my very quick edit. I did however choose to use the phrase "lowball" which is in my opinion an accurate assessment of your offer on the boat. And I still say your buddy ain't gonna find you an equivalent boat for $25k. If he does, let us all know and I'll apologize to him as well as you. Again please accept my apologize for my unfortunate use of the word "cheap". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted October 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2015 @303Skier Calling Todd "shady" and "This is more about Todd and his huge character flaw and bad business skills" is not necessary and untrue. Kinda getting libelous there. The deal did not go the way you wanted, have some class and move on. Go find your $25K 6L 196 and/or low 30's 6L 200, have a good life and good turns to you. You admit you and Todd had struck a deal. You, not he, reneged on that agreed upon price and blew up the deal. He is a busy guy, he got back to you as soon as he had time to consider your offer. He did everything you asked, pictures, making the boat available for inspection and so forth. There was a struck deal and you wanted still more off. So he was just no longer interested in doing business with you. He's moving on and so should you. BTW, the MC dealer isn't giving him $32K, that's what they say they will list it for. Probably sell for a little less, with consignment still gets Todd the price range he wants with a whole lot less hassle. My guess it would end up going South, way south. The boat dealers in S FL do a lot of business there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 @BRY It is a free country and we can have our own opinions on things. But a man who doesn't have the decency to call me back and tell me he no longer wants to do a deal is shady. I asked the man a simple question...Would you take X amount for the boat. I didn't pull out of the deal nor did I renege on the price. He was supposed to let me know if he'd take that amount or not. I even had the decency to send a friendly text saying I don't want to loose the deal over this and please get back to me. So yes, I still think Todd is shady and has zero business skills. You happen to be his close buddy so you're biased. Also not only did he put time and effort into the deal so did I and others. Texting him and calling him to make the deal go through shows "class". Avoiding my calls and text shows...a shady individual. Heck I even left a very nice voicemail apologizing if I had offended him or said something wrong. What did I get from him? A nasty text saying go kick rocks. Not the type of people we need in the waterskiing community. And to say he's a busy guy...we're all busy man, get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted October 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2015 Settle down ladies, time to kill this thread @Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 Sorry if I offended anyone, not my intent just speaking my mind. Again thanks to all the ballers who helped on this boat. I do appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 15, 2015 Administrators Share Posted October 15, 2015 Gentleman this website is a drama free zone. Back away from the keyboard- go have a beer - do something else Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Hockdog Posted October 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2015 "if it is too good to be true, it's not meant to be" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sunperch Posted October 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2015 ....this is the most exciting thread I have read in a while. It actually made me laugh out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted October 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2015 Boat sold yesterday. This thread needs to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 @BRY you probably bought it...hahahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted October 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2015 @303Skier Cool, buy it, love it, ski the crap out of it, enjoy your time on the water with it. Hope it give you years of good service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 @BRY thanks man, nicest thing you've ever said to me :smiley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 I guess patience pays off...My new 2008 196, low hours and under $25K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted October 29, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 29, 2015 I am confused. @OB1 and @303Skier, which boats did each of you buy? The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghibli Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 @OB1 Never shy with disclosure, what did you pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted October 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 29, 2015 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baller mwetskier Posted October 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 29, 2015 @303Skier -they catch small monkeys by hollowing out a coconut and filling it full of nuts. at the other end they drill a hole and run a rope through with a knot on the end. the other end of the rope they tie to a tree. the monkey comes along and reaches into the coconut to get a hand full of nuts but then can't get his hand out without dropping the nuts which he won't do. trapper strolls up and drops a net over the monkey as he runs and jumps around on the end of the rope but won't let go of the nuts. just food for thought -not the nuts, the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 @mwetskier - Cool story... Enjoy the winter Ballers! Next Spring I'll be enjoying my 196 for thousands less than the other boat. @OB1 looks like we both got very nice and well maintained 196 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted October 30, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted October 30, 2015 Where did @303Skier boat come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 FL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 @wish it was a FL boat I think listed at $26K even. I contacted the seller weeks ago and got no response. Given it had more hours (about 650 if I recall) and a 343 instead of a 6.0, not surprised it was a little cheaper in the end. Both boats seem to have been nice deals for what they got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 I paid $27k for my '08 LE with 115 hours, back in 2011, and it was identical down to the color, so under $25k makes realistic sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 That's a nice find @OB1. 6.0 196's are extremely sweet. I have a buddy with a mint '09 Team 6.0 that I'd really like to get my hands on someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller unksskis Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 To most, that engine is well worth additional $2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 @swc5150 & @OB1, you both got screaming deals on the '08s you bought in '11 and '09 respectively. @swc5150, that's the reason you think under $25k is reasonable. Under $25 is far more than reasonable, it's a great deal on any average or above '08. Just my .02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 Don't get me wrong, I'm all for high 196 resale values. It's only a downer when I don't own one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2015 @swc5150 so I assume you no longer have the '08? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 @LeonL Sold the '08 for $3k more than I paid. Now I'm back in an '06 196LE. I'll likely keep this one a while. I used to have a habit of buying and selling boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted March 9, 2016 Author Share Posted March 9, 2016 Already back up for sale? Haha. Must be something wrong with it. Poor boat has been passed around a lot! http://goo.gl/21sGWb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted March 9, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted March 9, 2016 @303Skier, if you look back in this thread a bit, you will see that this boat was already planned to be sold this Spring if Waterski Atlanta did not reclaim their site. So, there is not necessarily anything wrong - other than no lake to use it in. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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