Baller swc5150 Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 Are there any promo guys out there running a 200 5.3 yet? If so, what's the verdict so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 I don't have one but have skied three so far in tournaments and fortunate to get some practice behind two of those. One of them was a couple days in a row. Very, very nice ride. It felt like it had less swing in speed than the 5.7 (I have one of those) but more solid, like the 6.0. I also felt is seemed a little softer than the 6.0, still right there firm, just not as hard. Like it better than the 5.7, hard to say over the 6.0 but maybe. I tried B1, B3 and C1-3 and stayed with my normal C1, what I ski the 5.7 and 6.0 at. Do like it over my 5.7 but not enough to get a new one, not that different. Would really like to try the 450. At 6'1" 220 I like the bigger engine boats, they seem smoother to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 I did a back to back comparison between my '15 - 6.0 and a '16 - 5.3 with two very strong 35MPH men 2 jumpers. One jumps in slalom mode, one in jump mode. Both jumping in the 170's. For the one jumping in jump mode, no problem getting 5.19's in the first segment on either boat with a 4 power factor. For the jumper jumping in slalom mode I had to crank the power factor up to a 5 to get 5.20's on the 6-liter. (would probably have gotten to 5.19's with a 6 power factor but didn't have enough jumps to get there) I put the power factor on a 5 with the 5.3, same letter, and also got 5.20's. The 5.3 felt like it had lots of torque as well, way more than a 5.7. There is no way a 5.7 would pull those times with those jumpers, The 5.3 at 35.4 feels pretty close to the 6.0 in torque, so I would expect torque/feel at slalom speeds of 34.2 and 36 to be pretty close to the 6. (I haven't pulled any slalom with one yet and missed the season skiing because of injury, so I can't weigh in there) Before the horsepower numbers came out I had guessed around a 30-40 hp difference between the two based on the top end being around 3 mph lower on the 5.3. When they later published the horsepower at 355, I feel I was pretty close. My gut tells me it is underrated a little in horsepower, probably around 370-375. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 What is the approx. price increase % over last year? I heard some horror stories on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 Less than the 6.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 One thing I forgot to mention above. The 6.0 that I was comparing to was by far the strongest 6 liter I have ever had, and it was my 12th Nautique with a 6.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 @skiinxs what did the jumpers say about the pulls from the 5.3 vs the 6.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted October 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2015 @dbutcher - Very good reviews from the jumpers. They felt that the 5.3 got the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 30, 2015 Administrators Share Posted October 30, 2015 I have heard that the 5.3 cost approximately $5,000 more than the 5.7 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted October 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2015 @skiinxs Thanks. One more question. Does the 5.3 have ZO version R or is there a new version for the 5.3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted October 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2015 Version R so far, not sure if anything else was tested at the boat test this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller darinmontgomery Posted October 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2015 I've had my 5.3 for about 3 weeks, it's by far the best pull of any boat. It is smooth like the 6L but creates more whip at 55k. I highly recommend buying the 5.3 if you're in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2oski Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I've driven one at a couple of different sites in Az. Elevation around 1500. One is a short setup and the 5.3 performed very well, even with 36 mph skiers. I was impressed with the power and it is a lot quieter than the 6.0. Hard for me to compare to the 6.0 as I have only driven them at 4700 ft. Skiers liked it and it drove and tracked great. The new seat is nice, a little too upright for me, probably a adjuster for that somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghibli Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 What prop is being used with the 5.3? 654? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted October 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2015 What are the rpms at 34 ? Same as a 5.7 ? My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted October 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2015 654 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 1, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 1, 2015 Is it an illusion of is the 5.3 a lot wider than the 5.7? I saw a 200 with the engine box up and it looked HUGE Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskior Posted November 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2015 @Horton engine box is definitely bigger. Higher for sure but can't say it's wider. Pylon is taller as well. 5.3 is quieter than any boat ive been in before and it probably has pull/power characteristics inbetween the 5.7 and 6.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigtex2011 Posted November 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2015 Wonder why it would be significantly more expensive than the 5.7. That block has been used for 15 or so years in Chevy trucks. I get the 6.o and 6.2 being more costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted November 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2015 Excited to ski behind the 5.3 I have a theory that I ski my best tournaments behind the 6.0 because it never has to work really hard to keep pace. I am hoping the 5.3 is going to have that sort of feel at shortline. If so, that might become my next big purchase............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskior Posted November 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2015 DI hardware is expensive. 5.7 is a gazillion years old too. I'd still take a carb 5.7, 310hp for 10k+ less than anything else today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 1, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 1, 2015 5.3 = about 5k more than. 5.7 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slow Posted November 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2015 some dude mentioned that earlier in the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted November 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yes the engine box is about 3 inches wider. It is also taller, along with the pylon. Much quieter. You will find the 5.3 is almost the direct replacement for the 6 liter. I have a 6.2 and it's a beast. I feel it skis the same as the 5.3. The engines are also lighter due to all aluminum. This may be the first time that the engine and technology in a ski boat is exactly what you will find in your 2016 Chevy and GMC trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihart Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 How is he gas consumption vs the other engines? Also what rpm is it running at speed?. I think Andre may have asked this earlier in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GregDavis Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 Have had 5.3 for about a month. Absolutely LOVE IT. better gas consumption than 5.7, quiet, very powerful, and smooth. Can't believe how much more power it has than a 5.7. Have owned 20 New Nautiques, and 17 new Master Crafts. Pulled CP the other day 4 at 41. My 2016 Nautique 200, is BY FAR, the best tug I have ever driven or owned. Nice job NAUTIQUE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 @CParrish43 sounds like you have some sets behind the 5.3? Thinking you are a GREAT judge of the new engine. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 @GOODESkier are you asking a Nautique skier how good a Nautique boat is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bkreis Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 the 5.3 feels amazing, could be the newer zo with faster response time as well..hard to tell..seems to use less fuel and it's hard to believe, but every the handling gets better. it is a bit more $, small in the big picture, but it's what we're going to get at tournaments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted November 2, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted November 2, 2015 @bigtex2011, the 5.3 might be more expensive in the boats this year because they are now all aluminum (as @skierjp mentioned). I believe that, prior to 2014, the 5.3 in the trucks was available in several incarnations - as cast iron or aluminum. Now, I think the aluminum is the only option and might be the cost differential over the legacy 5.3 that was prevalent in the trucks. I would expect the trucks to also show that cost differential this year. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 @rockdog yes. Figuring of anyone out there, he might have the most time on the new engine. Better than asking Horton or you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GregDavis Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 Hey, I'm a hacker, not a good skier, on a very, very, very good day, everything being perfect, buoys small and low, no wind, no back wash, maybe run 35, MAYBE. Usually 3 at 35. I'm Old, and probably couldn't tell the difference ( SKIING behind) any of the Big Four slalom boats. I'm a motor head, drag racer, motorcycle racer, and just like high performance machines. I'm not comparing the Nautique 200 ( 5.3 ) to any other boats except the Nautique 5.7, which I am most familiar with. Driving the 5.3, ( pulling skiers from 30 mph 15 off , to 36 mph 41 off) the boat, is spectacular. ( in my opinion) the power, the smoothness, etc. I can't believe they got that much more performance, out of the 5.3 compared to the 5.7. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 Let's all take a deep breath here, maybe tap the brakes a little. There are no second coming of boats, just next generation or iteration of boats. The consensus in this thread is this boat/engine is the "GREATEST THING EVAH"! Let's remember the perspective from the origins of information. For everything with many positives there are going to be negatives. Nothing is perfect in this world. The new 2016's with the 5.3l engine has been interesting as we have been in/out/behind several of them. From appearances, the boat is a further work of art by Correct Craft. It's beautiful even with the larger engine box. The box is taller, wider but very plush. The interior is crisper looking, however you take it. Very sharp boat. Regarding the engine, that's been a different story. It seems some lighter skiers have really enjoyed it and are not having any issues. Some of the heavier shortline guys aren't gelling with the engine/ZO combo. Myself included. It might be finding the right Zero off setting as well but there has been a downturn in the buoy count or consistency. Guys who usually are smooth, now , one mistake and their fighting for their passes. Guys who typically aren't smooth aren't able to get there as they get behind the curve and struggle. I personally have not had a chance to ski test-ski the boat while trying all 9 settings in a controlled environment. Nor have we heard someone recommend a setting based on other settings (i ski A2 on a 5.7 and B1 on a 6.0l (credit to Jody Seal for the recommendation in 2012) ) Maybe it's a setting change for skiers but I personally am consistently down 6 buoys on 2-3 different settings. Somethings got to give. Several boat buyers have commented that if they had to buy a 5.3l right now, they would not. Unfortunately, i am in that camp too. My 5.7l is for sale with the original intention of replacing it with a 5.3l 2016 soon. Not so fast. If all things remain the same, I'll be selling my boat and probably switching to a different brand of boat next year. Call me a basher or anything like that but I am a realist while having owned 3 different 200's and 6 nautiques total in the last 8 years. I love to vote with my wallet and would not be surprised if the market votes the same way based on as things stand now with this engine/ZO combo and people move away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 @scoke is right based on feedback we got this weekend at the tournament. Quite a few skiers complained about the new ZO system and not just in the Nautique, but in the Centurion as well. The general feeling was that the pull was on them too long or at least peaking at a later point in the pull than the dual puck system. While I skied close to my average with the Centurion, I felt I was scrambling with too much speed at the buoys while the dual puck Mastercraft felt fine to me. I went down a pass early with the 5.3 Nautique though I have skied close to my average behind one in an earlier tournament, but again I felt I was out of control. I believe all this can be corrected via software and I hope they do so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 @Roger is there a ZO update out past Rev-R? or are you referring to the new single "brick" puck system? Was there no update for the new single puck system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 @MattP - I'm referring to the new single puck system. It has it's own ZO version. Don't know about the SN, but in the CP it was a new puck, new harness, and new head with new software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigtex2011 Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 Thx @MISkier and @scoke for the update on the alum motor and boat review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Broussard Posted November 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2015 @GOODESkier You do realize that you're asking a Nautique sponsored athlete about a Nautique product on the record. What kind of answer do you think you will get? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrs Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'm with @scoke and @Roger , the 5.3L is not working well for slalom. Way to many skiers complaining including some who get their boats for free. This could be the new ZO single puck and software or maybe the prop or both. Either way this set up in not ready for tournaments if you would like to keep your slalom ranking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted November 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2015 The 2016 approved ZO software is on USAWS' web site. Click on 3E, tow boats & speed control, approved boats, and then 2016 approved ZO. The version has the same number ending in R for all four brands with ECI single puck. I don't know if this arose out of the AWSA boat tests which were last week (I think) or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bishop8950 Posted November 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2015 The new single puck ZO is different. Not sure if it skis better or worse but it is definitely different. It felt harsh to me so I went from C1 to B1 and ran about the same buoys I have been running. It's going to be an interesting tournament year since we are likely to get a mix of Garmin dual puck and new ZO single puck boats. I don't know how much more can or will be done to make the new system more familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 3, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 3, 2015 If the new pucks and the 5.3 engines are as foreign as you guys make it sound it's just one more thing discourage people from going to tournaments. Let's just all quit the sport now. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2015 Reminds me a little of when Perfect Pass was changed 2 days before Regionals.As Nancy Kerrigan said,Wyhyy....?,Whyyy.....? I'm with @Horton . sad. And we're paying for this.Even if we can't grow the sport, at least we could stop the bleeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted November 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2015 Maybe there's a reason so many skiers are pilots? Whining doesn't stop even after the engines are shut down! I are one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Mateo_Vargas Posted November 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2015 So is closed cooling standard on the 5.3 since it has aluminum components? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 3, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 3, 2015 ok have have regained my composure and have a question for the folks who have experienced the unfriendly pulls. These boats that feel bad are 5.3 and are the new single puck? or all all the single puck but not all 5.3? or all all 5.3 but not all single puck? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted November 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2015 I don't think it's the 5.3 personally. I felt the Centurion with the single puck system was also more difficult to ski behind than the dual puck. I have many sets behind this particular 6 liter Centurion with the dual puck system and now a couple with the single puck system and I much prefer the old dual puck setup. However, I believe this is simply a teething issue and can be solved through software changes. I have heard the new puck has a higher sampling rate and it could be that the engineers just need to drop the rate to match the old system or skip some of the samples if the rate can't be altered. Conversations with the appropriate people are underway as I write this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 3, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 3, 2015 thanks for the feedback @Roger If it is going to work itself out then I can go back to sleep If there is any chance that we are about to face a situation where a 2016 boat with latest engine or ZO has a noticeably different ride than a 2015 or older boat - that would be a massive screwup. If skiers need a current year boat to compete it will be a replay of the PP to ZO disaster. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bishop8950 Posted November 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2015 I bet the primary factor is the ZO/single puck. I have skied it in 5.7/6.0 and it's different. I was able to adjust and yet to be seen how many people won't care and how many have a hard time. I bet the new engines are sweet as a stand alone item, but I haven't skied one yet. Having control over puck manufacture was the top priority. Equivalence was worked on and not entirely achieved. It is not anywhere near as drastic as PP to ZO. It's minor in comparison. I would call it a significant tweak and not a game changer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 3, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 3, 2015 Because I was worried about this engine cruise control thing I made some phone calls this morning. I am now under the impression that people are scrambling to correct the single puck problem and there is probably nothing to worry about Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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