Baller Fast351 Posted April 16, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 16, 2016 So my new to me year 2001 Ski Nautique was mostly used for trick skiing so the Perfect Pass wasn't set up very well. I took the opportunity today to get the slalom speeds calibrated. I don't have a course, so I used a GPS unit to calibrate it. First I set the paddle wheel factor. This is set in wakeboard mode, at 20 MPH. The paddle wheel factor wants to be right around 1460. I also have a Faria replacement speedo which is also picking up the signal from the same paddle wheel. It was also calibrated to the GPS. Next I set my baselines at all slalom speeds (although for simplicities sake lets just stick with 34.2). At 34.2, the baseline RPM was set to 3660, which resulted in a beautiful 34.2 MPH lock. The only problem, the PerfectPass speedometer reads about 33.1 MPH. The Faria speedo is right on, so I think the paddle wheel is OK. No matter what I do, that number seems to remain right about at 33.1. I have adjusted the paddle wheel factor, and it seems to have no effect over about 28 MPH. Is there a setting somewhere that I am missing? The Perfect Pass works fine as is, it's annoying having it read the wrong speed though. The manual makes reference to adjusting the speedo in speedometer calibration, (which I think is in wakeboard mode, again this seems to have no effect) or pressing up with quick calibrate highlit in the slalom baseline screen, which screws up my baseline RPM. Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller m_pags Posted April 16, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 16, 2016 I had almost the same situation with a 2003 Malibu Response (paddle wheel set up for trick) that just we purchased for our FL house. After sking and driving it a few times I couldn't keep it consistent I decided to upgrade to Stargazer Wake edition. I have it on my MN boat and IMO its much more user friendly and more consistent. PP Tech Mark said its plug play pretty much for install. Its about $750 with the new display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted April 16, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 16, 2016 @Fast351 the speed indication on my Lx was way off. Mark at PP email me a speedo cal procedure. I'm pretty sure I still have it. PM me your email. To adjust it you don't have to be in wakeboard mode and the setting doesn't effect baseline RPM. I think there is a speedo setting for each slalom speed. Mark said that you may not be able too get every speed to read just right because the paddle wheel is not accurate above 23mph. I played with it one time and the speed indication when the wrong way after the first adjustment. It is kind of engineered backwards of how most people would think (smaller K factor displays higher speed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted April 16, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 16, 2016 PS: that was will 6.5NG and single line display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted April 17, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2016 I didn't think that 6.5ng was compatible with a single line display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted April 17, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2016 The inlaws lxi is like that. Speeds track right on to a gps, but the speed shown on the pp display is off by a couple mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted April 18, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2016 @LeonL good catch, I looked at the book and mine is 6.5n. One more correction, it was Aaron that sent me the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fast351 Posted April 18, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted April 18, 2016 I did find this in the USA waterski setup doc for the 6.5NG: "QUICK CALIBRATE - Highlight Menu Arrow and press Down Key, after a timing pass, skier weight at 0. Press Up Key to perform Quick Calibration, system will confirm “pass” or “fail” If he skier weight is greater than 0 it will calibrate the speedo only." So maybe the secret sauce is to set skier weight to 5# and try the up arrow on the quick cal screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Hockdog Posted April 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2016 I seem to remember you have to set the speeds up on a course with magnets because it is pre GPS, you probably would be better of upgrading to the Stargazer since it is a GPS based speed control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted April 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2016 @Fast351 as stated above to do the quick cal you need a course. If you have a course you have two options 1) use magnets and smart timers 2) get a hand timer for $40. You press the button when the skier goes through the gates, at 3 ball and at the exit gates. Many boats are still running classic PP and working just fine. Not everyone needs GPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted April 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2016 A not often mentioned point though is if you get stargazer you then do not require an old paddle wheel speedo, stargazer does the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted April 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2016 @Orlando76 what part do you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted April 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2016 @Bill22, think you fat fingered my ne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted April 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2016 *name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted April 19, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2016 @Orlando76 no, I guess it was a fat finger dislike you hit on my first post in this discussion. It happens all the time no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fast351 Posted April 20, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted April 20, 2016 BAM! Perfect Pass comes through: Hi, When you are in the baseline calibration screen you go back up to the arrow in the upper right then press the DOWN key instead of the UP key. That will bring you into the paddlewheel calibration for that particular slalom speed. Every individual slalom speed has it's own paddlewheel calibration. If you know the number is 1460 you can just go ahead and enter that number or as close as you can get to it. Aaron PerfectPass Control Systems Inc. 902-468-2150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted April 20, 2016 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2016 @Bill22 oops fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted April 20, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted April 20, 2016 @Fast351: there are also several manuals on the PP website that have instructions on how to calibrate the PP speedo both with and w/o a course. Check all the manuals, some are better than others for calibration instructions. It can be kind of tricky, there is also a way to apply an offset to the existing cal, also described in one of the manuals on the site. Good luck and add a little patience to dial it in, once complete you will like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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